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Author: | Mini Ditka [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
For bringing out the best in the USA basketball team. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--carme ... ntina.html |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
Thats what happens when you have a Junk Punching teammate like Chris Paul |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
Maybe Chris Paul isn't any better than John Stockton. |
Author: | chaspoppcap [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
And these guys consider themselves better than the Dream Team? |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
chaspoppcap wrote: And these guys consider themselves better than the Dream Team? No, they actually don't. Although there are a few players on this team good enough to have played on the original Dream Team. Kobe, Lebron, and Carmelo being three of them. |
Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
The Original Kid Cairo wrote: chaspoppcap wrote: And these guys consider themselves better than the Dream Team? No, they actually don't. Although there are a few players on this team good enough to have played on the original Dream Team. Kobe, Lebron, and Carmelo being three of them. |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
Straight outta Compton...crazy motherfucker named Tyson... |
Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
That's my guy right there... |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
Krazy Ivan wrote: That's my guy right there... On some real shit though... I didn't know light-skinned dudes were allowed in Compton. |
Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Krazy Ivan wrote: That's my guy right there... On some real shit though... I didn't know light-skinned dudes were allowed in Compton. |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
I didn't expect it to be that great but it's downright shocking how little interior defense this team actually plays. Chandler is the only guy even making an attempt and if he's out it is nonexistent. Also, disappointing how they just settle for being a 3-point shooting team. They are an excellent shooting team, don't get me wrong, but a team that has the ability to assemble that much talent should be more balanced on the offensive end. I think I've seen Lebron post up about 5 times in the 3 games I've watched and that has been the extent of the low-post offense. As they currently play, they are one bad shooting night away from disaster. They've avoided one already. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
The Original Kid Cairo wrote: chaspoppcap wrote: And these guys consider themselves better than the Dream Team? No, they actually don't. Although there are a few players on this team good enough to have played on the original Dream Team. Kobe, Lebron, and Carmelo being three of them. Paul and LeBron would be the best at their respective positions if put on the original team. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
FavreFan wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: chaspoppcap wrote: And these guys consider themselves better than the Dream Team? No, they actually don't. Although there are a few players on this team good enough to have played on the original Dream Team. Kobe, Lebron, and Carmelo being three of them. Paul and LeBron would be the best at their respective positions if put on the original team. So were talking a time machine where its 92 then? Because Magic and Stockton's primes are better than Chris Pauls |
Author: | spmack [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Krazy Ivan wrote: That's my guy right there... On some real shit though... I didn't know light-skinned dudes were allowed in Compton. They only let him stay cuz he could ball. |
Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
rogers park bryan wrote: Because Magic and Stockton's primes are better than Chris Pauls I'd say you'd have to judge both teams at the time the USA teams were playing. Magic was a shell of himself. Stokton anf Paul may be on the same level at the time... |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
Krazy Ivan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Because Magic and Stockton's primes are better than Chris Pauls I'd say you'd have to judge both teams at the time the USA teams were playing. Magic was a shell of himself. Stokton anf Paul may be on the same level at the time... I know, but I think its a little misleading Some might take FF's original statement to mean Paul> Magic and Stockton As usual, time travel is the answer |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
Krazy Ivan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Because Magic and Stockton's primes are better than Chris Pauls I'd say you'd have to judge both teams at the time the USA teams were playing. Magic was a shell of himself. Stokton anf Paul may be on the same level at the time... |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Krazy Ivan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Because Magic and Stockton's primes are better than Chris Pauls I'd say you'd have to judge both teams at the time the USA teams were playing. Magic was a shell of himself. Stokton anf Paul may be on the same level at the time... Stockton had a leg injury and barely played in the Olympics. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Krazy Ivan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Because Magic and Stockton's primes are better than Chris Pauls I'd say you'd have to judge both teams at the time the USA teams were playing. Magic was a shell of himself. Stokton anf Paul may be on the same level at the time... Paul was a better defender and rebounder too. Stockton could get posted up by most decent point guards(Payton and Hardaway come to mind). Paul probably isn't as good a passer, but he doesn't really have any weaknesses in his game. Stockton did. Yes RPB I meant the '92 team. I figured that was obvious. Nobody, including Chris Paul's family, thinks Paul was better than the '87 Magic. We don't know if we've seen Paul's prime. It's not fair or accurate to say Stockton's was better. Like most debates here we won't know the answer for years. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
Q.Bovifs wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: FavreFan wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: No, they actually don't. Although there are a few players on this team good enough to have played on the original Dream Team. Kobe, Lebron, and Carmelo being three of them. Paul and LeBron would be the best at their respective positions if put on the original team. So were talking a time machine where its 92 then? Because Magic and Stockton's primes are better than Chris Pauls Agreed. All these motherfuckers writing off Stockton are full of shit. He saw and got up and down the court as well as anyone. And that dude played scrappy, textbook side-to-side Defense, with a lot of little heads-up tricks thrown in for good measure, and that stops flashy drives, no matter what Bernstein says. Who's righting off Stockton? Many smart basketball minds would say Paul is better. Many smart basketball minds would also say Stockton was better. Nobody's disrespecting anybody here. I think Paul is more talented than John Stockton was. That's not an insult to Stockton. Chris Paul is really, really damn good. |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
I think those guys would just as effectively post up Chris Paul. Calling them "decent" post-up points is a bit of an understatement. |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
FavreFan wrote: Paul was a better defender and rebounder too. Stockton could get posted up by most decent point guards(Payton and Hardaway come to mind). Paul probably isn't as good a passer, but he doesn't really have any weaknesses in his game. Stockton did. The dream team really didn't need a rebounding pg. In fact, I doubt you'd even want a point guard to try and rebound on that team. I also doubt given what the dream team had in the post that anyone would be posting up Stockton.FavreFan wrote: We don't know if we've seen Paul's prime. It's not fair or accurate to say Stockton's was better. Like most debates here we won't know the answer for years. I'm not judging by primes. I'm judging 2012 Paul vs. 1992 Stockton. Stockton wins that one.
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Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
I don't see how. He might have been a better passer. Thats really it, and its debateable. And according to Ken Stockton was hurt. I think Paul wins that one. Regardless, the Dream Team didn't NEED a PG at all. They would've dominated with anyone on the team playing that role basically. But if they wanted the best one available between 2012 Paul and 1992 Stockton, Paul's the better player. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
FavreFan wrote: Yes RPB I meant the '92 team. I figured that was obvious. Nobody, including Chris Paul's family, thinks Paul was better than the '87 Magic. We don't know if we've seen Paul's prime. It's not fair or accurate to say Stockton's was better. Like most debates here we won't know the answer for years. And I thought it would be even more obvious that I mean Paul's prime so far |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
FavreFan wrote: And according to Ken Stockton was hurt. I think Paul wins that one. Jordan injured Stockton's leg in practice. Quite naturally, Jordan would have literally ripped Chris Paul's legs from their hip sockets. YOU TELL HIM!! |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
FavreFan wrote: I don't see how. He might have been a better passer. Thats really it, and its debateable. And according to Ken Stockton was hurt. I think Paul wins that one. So you think Paul is better than everything but passing, and that's debatable? Didn't you earlier say that either answer could be right? FavreFan wrote: Regardless, the Dream Team didn't NEED a PG at all. They would've dominated with anyone on the team playing that role basically. But if they wanted the best one available between 2012 Paul and 1992 Stockton, Paul's the better player. Wouldn't you say that 1992 Stockton played better in the NBA than 2012 Paul did?
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Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
rogers park bryan wrote: FavreFan wrote: Yes RPB I meant the '92 team. I figured that was obvious. Nobody, including Chris Paul's family, thinks Paul was better than the '87 Magic. We don't know if we've seen Paul's prime. It's not fair or accurate to say Stockton's was better. Like most debates here we won't know the answer for years. And I thought it would be even more obvious that I mean Paul's prime so far I didn't realize you were just comparing their first 8 seasons. I think Paul has been better than Stockton was at the same points in their careers. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: I don't see how. He might have been a better passer. Thats really it, and its debateable. And according to Ken Stockton was hurt. I think Paul wins that one. So you think Paul is better than everything but passing, and that's debatable? Didn't you earlier say that either answer could be right? FavreFan wrote: Regardless, the Dream Team didn't NEED a PG at all. They would've dominated with anyone on the team playing that role basically. But if they wanted the best one available between 2012 Paul and 1992 Stockton, Paul's the better player. Wouldn't you say that 1992 Stockton played better in the NBA than 2012 Paul did?Stockton had better raw numbers, I believe Paul was the better player. As I said, Paul doesn't really have any weaknesses. Stockton did. Paul has yet to play with a top 3 PF of all time also. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
2012 PG is a very different position than 1992 PG It makes the already difficult comparison even worse |
Author: | chaspoppcap [ Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Argentina Men's Basketball Team |
rogers park bryan wrote: 2012 PG is a very different position than 1992 PG It makes the already difficult comparison even worse I wish lance Haffner was still making his games. They are perfect for this. They are number crunchy stat driven stuff awesome. I have the Prowrestling and Baseball games. Nothing like pitting the 27 Yankees vs the 1918 white sox or Hogan at his prime vs Lou These. Great stuff. He did games for everything. |
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