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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chicago Public School Teachers |
Now that is the way to hold a protest! Chicago regains it's labor roots, at least for one day. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
+ - / x 1. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
This really is a beautiful thing. I'd be nervous about some bomb throwers in the crowd if it wasn't filled with so many young hotties. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
What's so great about the protest? |
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| Author: | beni hanna [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
SomeGuy wrote: What's so great about the protest? Young hotties sound promising |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
Getting 3 months off a year and getting done at 330 has to be hell on a person. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
Hank Scorpio wrote: Getting 3 months off a year and getting done at 330 has to be hell on a person. Not sure if serious... |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: Getting 3 months off a year and getting done at 330 has to be hell on a person. Not sure if serious... half and half... Teaching other people's kids is hard work but when I see my teacher friends posting bullshit statuses about being off all summer, I lose some sympathy. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
You shouldn't let that Facebook stuff deter you. I'm very close to a couple of teachers. Theirs is a job that truly not everyone can do. And the teachers who really take the time to care...they're more important than people realize. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
The Original Kid Cairo wrote: You shouldn't let that Facebook stuff deter you. I'm very close to a couple of teachers. Theirs is a job that truly not everyone can do. And the teachers who really take the time to care...they're more important than people realize. Anyone can teach, it's just that not many people can be any good at it. Those that are lazy pieces of shit usually get to tenure and get even worse, just now they can't be fired for being bad at their job. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
Well yeah, it's true that there's good and bad in every profession. But I'd never try to downplay the importance of teachers. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
Revolution has always been incubated in the student/teacher class. Maybe a few of these young people are getting their first taste of labor struggle and it activates them |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
SomeGuy wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: You shouldn't let that Facebook stuff deter you. I'm very close to a couple of teachers. Theirs is a job that truly not everyone can do. And the teachers who really take the time to care...they're more important than people realize. Anyone can teach, it's just that not many people can be any good at it. Those that are lazy pieces of shit usually get to tenure and get even worse, just now they can't be fired for being bad at their job. Don't look at this as an us v. them struggle. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
good dolphin wrote: SomeGuy wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: You shouldn't let that Facebook stuff deter you. I'm very close to a couple of teachers. Theirs is a job that truly not everyone can do. And the teachers who really take the time to care...they're more important than people realize. Anyone can teach, it's just that not many people can be any good at it. Those that are lazy pieces of shit usually get to tenure and get even worse, just now they can't be fired for being bad at their job. Don't look at this as an us v. them struggle. I used to be a "them" and I had the chance to go through a labor/contract dispute my first year at a school I taught it. It left me a bit cynical on the matter. |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
For those that disagreed with the Wisconsin governor, maybe now they wish someone could fix the Chicago Public School Teacher's Union like they did in Wisconsin. |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
immessedup17 wrote: Go back to work. You're paid enough. You are responsible for test score results. Do better. Have you heard about those schools where the teachers fix the test scores? |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
Because of course this strike is all about money. You know with thoughts like that , Im surprised you didnt get an 11% raise. |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
If the teachers were smart they would get a college gig. |
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| Author: | romante5 [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
immessedup17 wrote: Saw these people on almost every overpass on I-90 this morning, as well as all over streets near the Loop and Lake Shore Dr. Go back to work. You're paid enough. You are responsible for test score results. Do better. you are severely misinformed. |
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| Author: | chaspoppcap [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
Hank Scorpio wrote: Getting 3 months off a year and getting done at 330 has to be hell on a person. Add in the time you spend at home working on next days lessons,grading papers , yeah easy job. Not to mention the hooligans that are there. Remember the teachers last year that where attacked by their students? |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
I can't support any organization that would have this as it's president:  She seems like the stupidest laziest fuck that could ever get such a high position. Everytime she speaks I want to drive my foot through my TV. I'm as pro-Worker as it gets, but I hope Rahm crushes this thing so bad, that the teachers drag this fat bitch out on the street and light her ass on fire. 
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
I don't think that the main problem in the CPS is the teachers. I also don't think anything in the CPS will improve by paying the teachers more money. To me, this whole things is an exercise in greed by both sides. Neither side gives a shit about improving the school system. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
immessedup17 wrote: Saw these people on almost every overpass on I-90 this morning, as well as all over streets near the Loop and Lake Shore Dr. Go back to work. You're paid enough. You are responsible for test score results. Do better. It would be nice if things weren't based on one test. |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
I haven't followed the specifics. They've been offered an 11% raise? 16%?? But they want more benefits too?? And many of them are huge 300+ lb cows out picketing??? |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
cpguy wrote: I haven't followed the specifics. They've been offered an 11% raise? 16%?? But they want more benefits too?? And many of them are huge 300+ lb cows out picketing??? maybe about 45%-50%. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
i'm guessing it's the part about performance evaluation that bugs them. I don't blame them on that count. evaluation won't be done in a meaningful way but rather "take a spin on test score roulette." |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
The state wants schools to install evaluation tools for teachers that hey have not finished making yet. Wit the new evals, tenure means a lot less. In fact two bad evals in a 7 year period can get you fired. Unlike under the old system where you basically could not. You can also keep a teacher lower on the totem pole if they have better evaluations when districts have to riff people. Which is how it should be. Teachers who are bad and lazy need to be fired. Most districts chose not to becuase it cost more money in legal fees than the risk of forgetting one document or procedure and having to star the whole process over. |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
conns7901 wrote: The state wants schools to install evaluation tools for teachers that hey have not finished making yet. Wit the new evals, tenure means a lot less. In fact two bad evals in a 7 year period can get you fired. Unlike under the old system where you basically could not. You can also keep a teacher lower on the totem pole if they have better evaluations when districts have to riff people. Which is how it should be. Teachers who are bad and lazy need to be fired. Most districts chose not to becuase it cost more money in legal fees than the risk of forgetting one document or procedure and having to star the whole process over. I hope Raum keeps a hard line and puts these teachers on the spot. Do your job or get shit canned. Screw that tenure BS. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
cpguy wrote: conns7901 wrote: The state wants schools to install evaluation tools for teachers that hey have not finished making yet. Wit the new evals, tenure means a lot less. In fact two bad evals in a 7 year period can get you fired. Unlike under the old system where you basically could not. You can also keep a teacher lower on the totem pole if they have better evaluations when districts have to riff people. Which is how it should be. Teachers who are bad and lazy need to be fired. Most districts chose not to becuase it cost more money in legal fees than the risk of forgetting one document or procedure and having to star the whole process over. I hope Raum keeps a hard line and puts these teachers on the spot. Do your job or get shit canned. Screw that tenure BS. Right, good idea. As long as the teachers get to pick and choose which high performing students they have in their class I dont see that being a problem. |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago Public School Teachers |
Something has to be done... |
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