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Author:  bigfan [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:57 am ]
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Not only are they giving Aaron a Big FU for all the money he is probably legally entitled too and not paying him, making him go to court to get it, they have launched a Jersey exchange program, so if you have a Hernandez pats jersey, bring it in for a new player. Kind of cool.

Guessing those who might have Hernandez jersey might want to keep it, just a thought.
Author:  spmack [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:12 am ]
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Collectors' item?
Author:  W_Z [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:33 pm ]
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i wonder if there are any rae carruth jerseys out there...
Author:  veganfan21 [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:52 pm ]
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W_Z wrote:
i wonder if there are any rae carruth jerseys out there...


Not sure about Carruth's jerseys, but the unborn son he nearly had killed was recently profiled in an SI piece: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... t=hp_wr_a2
Author:  leashyourkids [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:47 pm ]
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I don't have strong feelings either way, but it seems disingenuous when pro sports teams act all moral.

Vegan - about time with the avatar!
Author:  MxdCookie [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:42 pm ]
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I was shocked to see them do it, but it's a pretty cool idea. Can't hurt.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:35 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
I don't have strong feelings either way, but it seems disingenuous when pro sports teams act all moral.

Vegan - about time with the avatar!


:lol: Yeah not knowing how to resize an image is just pretty much computer dumb on my part. Finally figured it out after three or so months.

I think disingenuous is the right word here. Read an article on Yahoo that didn't sit well with me. I'll paste an excerpt here:

Quote:
It's pretty clear that Hernandez wasn't thought of very well in the New England organization. The Ravens decided to support Ray Lewis when he was charged with murder in 2000 because they believed in Lewis as a person. As the news of Odin Lloyd's death kept coming in last week, the Patriots made the decision that they would dump Hernandez when he was arrested. The charges didn't even matter. Neither did the fact that an immediate release could keep the Patriots from recouping a lot of money, that Hernandez is a fantastically talented player or that New England's offense has lost other key players this offseason.

The way the Patriots have aggressively disassociated themselves with Hernandez is pretty unusual. It reflects on Hernandez and on how the Patriots' organization wants to be perceived. Maybe the way the Patriots dealt with Hernandez will provide a template for other NFL teams and how they deal with players who get in trouble.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 24424.html


I don't know if I'm convinced about the Patriots readiness to drop him based on an obstruction charge alone. After all, they did drop him once he was arrested and charged with murder, but I guess the official stance is they did not know the exact charge at the time of his release and dropped him anyway based on his involvement alone, however large or small.

In any case, I don't know how much praise we can throw the Patriots' way. Dropping Hernandez and completely disassociating themselves from him is an obvious move to make after an arrest like this. Anything less would have been utterly stupid and just begging for a PR fiasco. Also, this article and others with a similar slant give me the impression that Hernandez's swift dismissal reflects well on the Patriots' intolerance for distractions, lack of character, etc. But that couldn't be further from the truth in this case. Not only did they take a risk on a troubled but talented player (not unheard of in any league), they trusted him enough to give him 16 million as part of the second largest contract extension for a TE in league history (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/p ... locke.html)

So all this stuff about distractions, character, good guys, is crap. Hernandez was none of those things, but yet the Patriots thought enough of him to give him one of the richest TE contracts in the league. I'm in no way trying to suggest that the Patriots should have anticipated something as massive as the murder charge, and I don't fault the Patriots for trying to manage the fallout from the arrest in [misleading?] ways that make them look good. I just don't appreciate ostensibly impartial writers sipping the Patriots' kool-aid and trying to tell me that the Pats dropped Hernandez so quickly because he wasn't highly regarded within the organization anyway. That's crap, and I can think of 16 million reasons why.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:09 pm ]
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Yes, if they were that worried about having upstanding citizens, we would have the first all-Jewish football team. They would forfeit any games in which the climate was "uncomfortable."
Author:  Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:17 pm ]
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They have to distance themselves as much as possible. I can't see how this doesn't end up being a distraction for the team. If this guy is found to have been part of a driving-by shooting as well as this murder, it is going to be a huge, sexy story for the media. If they start to lose games out of the chute, expect this to be brought up often. Can't see how much differently they can handle it other than trying to pretend he was never on the team.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:19 pm ]
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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
They have to distance themselves as much as possible. I can't see how this doesn't end up being a distraction for the team. If this guy is found to have been part of a driving-by shooting as well as this murder, it is going to be a huge, sexy story for the media. If they start to lose games out of the chute, expect this to be brought up often. Can't see how much differently they can handle it other than trying to pretend he was never on the team.


I don't disagree that they have to distance themselves. But it is purely a PR move, and I don't think it warrants a shoutout.
Author:  veganfan21 [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:39 pm ]
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That's right, I completely forgot about the shoutout angle. I also don't think their moves warrant one. It was the obvious thing to do and they are doing it. Now if they start to float statements mentioning how he was cut irrespective of the charge because the team has exceptionally stringent expectations for player/coach conduct, etc., then I'd suggest we move this over to a DB nomination because we all know that's just not true.
Author:  Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:49 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
They have to distance themselves as much as possible. I can't see how this doesn't end up being a distraction for the team. If this guy is found to have been part of a driving-by shooting as well as this murder, it is going to be a huge, sexy story for the media. If they start to lose games out of the chute, expect this to be brought up often. Can't see how much differently they can handle it other than trying to pretend he was never on the team.


I don't disagree that they have to distance themselves. But it is purely a PR move, and I don't think it warrants a shoutout.


Yeah, same here. Did this guy have legal problems before?
Author:  Chus [ Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:38 am ]
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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
They have to distance themselves as much as possible. I can't see how this doesn't end up being a distraction for the team. If this guy is found to have been part of a driving-by shooting as well as this murder, it is going to be a huge, sexy story for the media. If they start to lose games out of the chute, expect this to be brought up often. Can't see how much differently they can handle it other than trying to pretend he was never on the team.


I don't disagree that they have to distance themselves. But it is purely a PR move, and I don't think it warrants a shoutout.


Yeah, same here. Did this guy have legal problems before?


Yes.

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/06/aaron ... der-brawl/
Author:  312player [ Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:13 pm ]
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Agreed vegan, on point as usual.
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:04 am ]
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You don't think the Patriots were well aware of the charge that was about to be issued?

I assume every team has a Michael Connolly type guy on payroll with all levels of local law enforcement contacts so that they know immediately when something as minor as a DUI happens and can deal with it "administratively" if possible. I assume the league does as well. It looked like the obstruction charge was just a precursor to get him off the street from the beginning, just as Ray Lewis' obstruction only occurred because they couldn't prove murder on him...and Lewis did committ murder.
Author:  JORR [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:20 am ]
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bigfan wrote:
Guessing those who might have Hernandez jersey might want to keep it, just a thought.


Maybe this murder is helping his brand.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:13 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
You don't think the Patriots were well aware of the charge that was about to be issued?

I assume every team has a Michael Connolly type guy on payroll with all levels of local law enforcement contacts so that they know immediately when something as minor as a DUI happens and can deal with it "administratively" if possible. I assume the league does as well. It looked like the obstruction charge was just a precursor to get him off the street from the beginning, just as Ray Lewis' obstruction only occurred because they couldn't prove murder on him...and Lewis did committ murder.


Probably an ignorant question, but who's he?
Author:  Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:12 am ]
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My first impression upon hearing the Patriots dropping Hernandez was that their front office was given information beyond what has been reported to the general public.
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:40 am ]
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Tall Midget wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
You don't think the Patriots were well aware of the charge that was about to be issued?

I assume every team has a Michael Connolly type guy on payroll with all levels of local law enforcement contacts so that they know immediately when something as minor as a DUI happens and can deal with it "administratively" if possible. I assume the league does as well. It looked like the obstruction charge was just a precursor to get him off the street from the beginning, just as Ray Lewis' obstruction only occurred because they couldn't prove murder on him...and Lewis did committ murder.


Probably an ignorant question, but who's he?


Not as ignorant as my posting. I meant Michael Clayton. He was a George Clooney character in the movie of the same name. His family were historically Philadelphia police officers. He went to law school and started out in the State's Attorney's office. He was hired by a large law firm nominally as a litigation associate but in reality to fix/minimize the personal legal problems of their corporate clients before they became problems. Great movie if you have not seen it.
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