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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:26 pm 
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The reason I actually wanted to come out today is not to take questions, but to speak to an issue that's obviously gotten a lot of attention over the course of the last week, the issue of the Trayvon Martin ruling.

I gave a preliminary statement right after the ruling on Sunday, but watching the debate over the course of the last week, I thought it might be useful for me to expand on my thoughts a little bit.

First of all, I want to make sure that once again I send my thought and prayers, as well as Michelle's, to the family of Trayvon Martin, and to remark on the incredible grace and dignity with which they've dealt with the entire situation. I can only imagine what they're going through and it's remarkable how they've handled it.

The second thing I want to say is to reiterate what I said on Sunday, which is there are going to be a lot of arguments about the legal -- the legal issues in the case. I'll let all the legal analysts and talking heads address those issues.

The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner. The prosecution and the defense made their arguments. The juries (sic) were properly instructed that in a -- in a case such as this, reasonable doubt was relevant. And they rendered a verdict.
And once the jury's spoken, that's how our system works.
But I did want to just talk a little bit about context and how people have responded to it and how people are feeling.
You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me, 35 years ago.

And when you think about why, in the African-American community at least, there's a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it's important to recognize that the African-American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a -- and a history that -- that doesn't go away.
There are very few African-American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me.

There are probably very few African-American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me -- at least before I was a senator.

There are very few African-Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off.

That happens often.

And, you know, I -- I don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida.

And it's inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

Now, this isn't to say that the African-American community is naive about the fact that African-American young men are disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system, that they're disproportionately both victims and perpetrators of violence.
It's not to make excuses for that fact.

Although, black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context. They understand that, some of the violence that takes place in poor black neighborhoods around the country is born out of a very violent past in this country. And that the poverty and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be traced to a very difficult history.

And so, the fact that sometimes that's unacknowledged adds to the frustration. And the fact that a lot of African-American boys are painted with a broad brush and the excuses given, "Well, there are these statistics out there that show that African-American boys are more violent," using that as an excuse to then see sons treated differently causes pain.

I think the African-American community is also not naive in understanding that, statistically, somebody like Trayvon Martin was probably, statistically, more likely to be shot by a peer than he was by somebody else.

So -- so folks understand the challenges that exist for African- American boys. But they get frustrated, I think, if they feel that there's no context for it, or -- and that context is being denied.

And -- and that all contributes, I think, to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario that, from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different.
Now, the question, for me, at least, and -- and I think for a lot of folks is, "Where do we take this? How -- how do we learn some lessons from this and move in a positive direction?"

You know, I think it's understandable that there have been demonstrations and vigils and protests and some of that is just going to have to work its way through as long as it remains nonviolent. If I see any violence, then I will remind folks that that dishonors what happened to Trayvon Martin and his family.

But beyond protests or vigils, the question is: Are there some concrete things that we might be able to do? I know that Eric Holder is reviewing what happened down there, but I think it's important for people to have some clear expectations here. Traditionally, these are issues of state and local government. The criminal code and law enforcement is traditionally done at the state and local levels, not at the federal levels.

That doesn't mean, though, that as a nation, we can't do some things that I think would be productive. So let me just give a couple of specifics that I'm still bouncing around with my staff, you know, so we're not rolling out some five-point plan, but some areas where I think all of us could potentially focus.

Number one, precisely because law enforcement is often determined at the state and local level, I think it would be productive for the Justice Department, governors, mayors to work with law enforcement about training at the state and local levels in order to reduce the kind of mistrust in the system that sometimes currently exists.

You know, when I was in Illinois, I passed racial profiling legislation, and it actually did just two simple things. One, it collected data on traffic stops and the race of the person who was stopped, but the other things was it resourced us training police departments across the state on how to think about potential racial bias, and ways to further professionalize what they were doing.

And, initially, the police departments across the state were resistant, but actually they came to recognize that if it was done in a fair, straightforward way that, it would allow them to do their jobs better and communities would have more confidence in them, and in turn be more helpful in -- in applying the law. And, obviously, law enforcement's got a very tough job.

So that's one area where I think there are a lot of resources and best practices that could be brought to bear, if state and local governments are receptive, and I think a lot of them would be. And let's figure out, are there ways for us to push out that kind of training.
Along the same lines, I think it would be useful for us to examine some state and -- and local laws to see if it -- if they are designed in such a way that they may encourage the kinds of altercations and confrontations and tragedies that we saw in the Florida case, rather than diffuse potential altercations.
I know that there's been commentary about the fact that the "Stand Your Ground" laws in Florida were not used as a defense in the case.

On the other hand, if we're sending a message as a society in our communities that someone who is armed potentially has the right to use those firearms, even if there's a way for them to exit from a situation, is that really going to be contributing to the kind of peace and security and order that we'd like to see?
And for those who -- who resist that idea, that we should think about something like these Stand Your Ground laws, I just ask people to consider, if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman, who had followed him in a car, because he felt threatened? And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me that we might want to examine those kinds of laws.

Number three -- and this is a long-term project -- we need to spend some time in thinking about how do we bolster and reinforce our African-American boys? And this is something that Michelle and I talk a lot about. There are a lot of kids out there who need help, who are getting a lot of negative reinforcement. And is there more that we can do to give them the sense that their country cares about them, and values them, and is willing to invest in them?

You know, I'm not naive about the prospects of some grand new federal program. I'm not sure that that's what we're talking about here. But I -- I do recognize that, as president, I've got some convening power. And there are a lot of good programs that are being done across the country on this front. And for us to be able to gather together business leaders and local elected officials and clergy and celebrities and athletes and figure out, how are we doing a better job helping young African-American men feel that they're a full part of this society and that -- and that they've got pathways and avenues to succeed? You know, I think that would be a pretty good outcome from what was, obviously, a tragic situation. And we're going to spend some time working on that and thinking about that.
And then, finally, I think it's going to be important for all of us to do some soul-searching. You know, there's been talk about, should we convene a conversation on race? I haven't seen that be particularly productive when, you know, politicians try to organize conversations. They end up being stilted and politicized, and folks are locked into the positions they already have.

On the other hand, in families and churches and workplaces, there's a possibility that people are a little bit more honest and at least you ask yourself your own questions about, am I wringing as much bias out of myself as I can? Am I judging people as much as I can based on not the color of their skin, but the content of their character? That would, I think, be an appropriate exercise in the wake of this tragedy.

And let me just leave you with -- with the final thought that, as difficult and challenging as this whole episode has been for a lot of people, I don't want us to lose sight that things are getting better. Each successive generation seems to be making progress in changing attitudes when it comes to race. It doesn't mean we're in a post-racial society. It doesn't mean that racism is eliminated.

But, you know, when I talk to Malia and Sasha and I listen to their friends and I see them interact, they're better than we are. They're better than we were on these issues. And that's true in every community that I've visited all across the country. And so, you know, we have to be vigilant. And we have to work on these issues. And those of us in authority should be doing everything we can to encourage the better angels of our -- nature as opposed to using these episodes to heighten divisions.

But we should also have confidence that kids these days, I think, have more sense than we did back then and certainly more than our parents did or our grandparents did, and that along this long and difficult journey, you know, we're becoming a more perfect union, not a perfect union, but a more perfect union.

All right?

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 Post subject: Re: President Obama
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:33 pm 
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Some of the things he describes for young black youth has also happened to me. I have sensed a woman getting nervous when we cross in a parking lot. I have had a Chicago squad car trail me when I was a half a block from home. I'm sure it is more common in the black community. This was a tragedy and really an isolated incident. It's not like fake cops are shooting innocent minorities everyday.

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He sure can read what his speech writer wrote of a tele prompter with the best of them

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 Post subject: Re: President Obama
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badrogue17 wrote:
He sure can read what his speech writer wrote of a tele prompter with the best of them


How was it? I only read a transcript.


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He sure can read what his speech writer wrote of a tele prompter with the best of them


How was it? I only read a transcript.

Very presidential

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 Post subject: Re: President Obama
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badrogue17 wrote:
He sure can read what his speech writer wrote of a tele prompter with the best of them



I thought he didn't have one.

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I thought this was going to be about Obama playing a round of Golf w/ Wilbon.


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 Post subject: Re: President Obama
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:10 pm 
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Like I said, Obama will be a more effective Ex President than President.

I am not even trying to take a cheap shot. I think he will do some great things for people who need help when he is done that he couldnt do as President.

The Presidents job is to assign people to do things, not for him to do them himself and I think he has taken on way too many things to do himself.

This would be an example of an issue that I think he could help immensely if he was no longer President.

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He can't say certain things as president because he represents all Americans but I would love for him to lead on at least having a dialogue instead of being reactionary. Many will say when he is out of office "if a black man didn't do it when he had power why should we?" IMO they will be right. I know it's a politically risky thing to take up and there are more important things he needs to address but a president can do more than 1 thing at a time.

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This isn't really a shot... But he is so calculated that he takes so much time to come out on anything. Calculate all angles get the writers together run it by Axelrod etc. I am not saying he is any different than any other president or politician but he said he would be different.

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 Post subject: Re: President Obama
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badrogue17 wrote:
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He sure can read what his speech writer wrote of a tele prompter with the best of them


How was it? I only read a transcript.

Very presidential


It was the literary equivalent of saccharin.

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 Post subject: Re: President Obama
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This isn't really a shot... But he is so calculated that he takes so much time to come out on anything. Calculate all angles get the writers together run it by Axelrod etc. I am not saying he is any different than any other president or politician but he said he would be different.


He is very calculated to the point it paralyzes him at times. I find myself not liking it a lot but I believe I understand why.

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 Post subject: Re: President Obama
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What a crock..I voted twice for him. He should have kept his mouth shout when Trayvon was shot,and after the verdict. :oops:

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This isn't really a shot... But he is so calculated that he takes so much time to come out on anything. Calculate all angles get the writers together run it by Axelrod etc. I am not saying he is any different than any other president or politician but he said he would be different.

He tried that once and then this resulted...
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Personally I like my elected leader to think things through rather than shoot-from-the-hip. Recent history shows that being a "decider" is not always a good thing.

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pittmike wrote:
This isn't really a shot... But he is so calculated that he takes so much time to come out on anything. Calculate all angles get the writers together run it by Axelrod etc. I am not saying he is any different than any other president or politician but he said he would be different.

He tried that once and then this resulted...
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Personally I like my elected leader to think things through rather than shoot-from-the-hip. Recent history shows that being a "decider" is not always a good thing.


Recent history also shows there's not much difference between Obama and Bush.

They are both servants of the global elite and were/are allowed to hold the nation's highest office because they pose no threat to the status quo.

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He relates more to tray tray then veterans ...how disturbing :shock:

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Recent history also shows there's not much difference between Obama and Bush.

They are both servants of the global elite and were/are allowed to hold the nation's highest office because they pose no threat to the status quo.


except obama promised change. bush promised changification.


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