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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Jimmy Fallon is an obsequious simpleton and I won't watch him.

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That just killed every octogenarian in the country lying down in bed waiting for Leno to make a Medicare joke.

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You know me like that.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

I really like Jimmy Fallon. The guy might easily be the most talented guy to ever host a talk show. I know Steve Allen wrote about 10,000 songs and basically he was ripped off by Carson & Letterman. He was one funny guy. I saw Fallon in person. The guy does all kinds of imitations,sings,dances,etc. I think he is going to make it. Of course,they can always bring back Leno.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

ummm.... i think conan beats him in all fuck her right in the pussy those catagories

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

Hey,I like Conan,too but let's face it,Garry Shandling hosted the Tonight Show almost as much as Conan.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I am ultra sick of this deep latent homo erotic broke back pair.

People love to drop the "They are so talented", at what? Looking deep into each others eyes and singing?

Just give them the Jimmy and Justin show, and they can do skits for the whole damn hour and then people that cant get over how "talented" they are, can send the you tube videos of it back and forth.

As far as Jimmy Fallon "TALK SHOW HOST" (dont know if anyone remembers that it his job), I feel like he is a still a kid who is stoned and is about to bust out in laughter when he asks setup questions from his staff of writers.

While the list is probably longer of guys that would have done a worse job than Fallon, I have never really been so mesmorized by any interview he has ever done and doesnt keep me on the station for more than 10 seconds....except when Justin is on....I can't wait to see what they will do next! is he on again next week.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Wow,Bigfan! I thought I was reading one of my posts. Very well said,but they are pretty talented. I mentioned earlier that the late night talk shows are now dominated by 30-something white guys who all posess the clever smirk. I guess you get weened on SNL doing the news and get promoted to a talk show.
I like the Roots but let's face it,Fallon's people pick them to give the very white host some street cred. Leno has done this 3 times already. Really kind of sad how these decisions are made.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

It's disturbing to realize how long the tentacles of Lorne Michaels reach.

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Back off, Warchild. Seriously.

Yeah,between all the SNL alumni making movies,talk shows,etc.
The only other guy who might have some pull is Dick Wolf with all his hit Cop Shows on NBC.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Letterman was the Anti Carson.

Conan was the Letterman replacement....then that Leno mistake

Then a whole slew of semi smarmy white guys in suits showed up doing talk shows. Ferguson, Daley, Daley, Kimmel,

And they all kind of just blended together.

Those late night talk shows were probably the last thing that kept me to network TV.

Letterman was innovative, they tried stuff, sometimes it sucked, but they kept trying.

The Man on the street interview thing, will always do OK, because you cant fake peoples stupidity and honesty, doesnt take a team of writers to pull it together either. 1 Kid and some editing software.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Right now,the only network shows I try to catch each week is Chicago P.D.,Person of interest (getting bored with this one,too) & Blue Bloods. I still watch other shows but if I miss them,I'm not going to catch up.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

You must not be watching Ferguson much to think he belongs in a group with any other talk show host. His entire show is a parody of the genre. It doesn't follow the theme of monologue, commercial, bit, commercial, first guest, commercial, less famous than first guest second guest, commercial, and popular band. He has a robotic sidekick, no pre-interviews by staff, and a fake invisible band. And he actually has authors on his show He's not always funny and tends to beat bits and ideas into the ground but his show is unique.

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Back off, Warchild. Seriously.

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

Ferguson blows,just like that moron Kilborn before him. I hate that "I'm so clever,you don't get it" bullshit. The fucker mumbles with a brogue! Yeah,that's what I'm looking for at 11:30.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

hes still good but a few years ago he was in his prime. getting stoned and watching him were side splitting nights... we would cry from laughing so hard, because it was like you said it was just so off the cuff

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

If only Kevin James and a corgi hosted The Late Late Show.

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Back off, Warchild. Seriously.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I remember when Ferguson was great. He would just go up there & tell some funny stories. They were just about anything. Not necessarily current events or the latest Hollywood whore-trainwreck, but just funny shit. Then he started to change. He started to do more things like Conan did, weird mugging, strange little bits, pounding jokes to death. That's when I stopped watching.

Most talented?!? Are you high? THE GUY COULDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH A SINGLE FUCKING SKETCH WITHOUT GIGGLING LIKE A LITTLE GIRL! Some talent!

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I'm sad to see that the massmedia's giant super mega uber ultra push to get people watching Fallon has worked on Nas and a few others. Don't believe me? Welp, despite many of your favorite big-media junctures asking the question "HAS FALLON ALREADY WENT VIRAL ON HIS FIRST NIGHT BY TWERKING?!!?" I mean, poor Nas had no chance.... look at a google news search of "Jimmy Fallon" from yesterday (as I was looking for reviews of his show to prove my point)




Look at that. No less than 1/2 or 2/3 are outright commands to "Watch Jimmy Fallon." [url][/url] It's sickening.... and keep in mind EW is going around having their writers go out and claim that Jimmy Fallon might just be the next Johnny Carson.

I called up my brother last night and forced him to watch that "EW" sketch with Michelle Obama and Will Farrell. No, I don't mean Entertainment Weekly, I mean "ewwww" (though it might be EW buying time on the show? Who knows" and I forced him to watch it along with me for up to ~5 minutes, we agreed it was just aggressively bad and beyond words. As we watched I kept saying "That's the next Johnny Carson, dude." and the point was continuously hammered home using the same exact verbiage.... you know, just like a SNL sketch.

And given what I showed you up there in the images, yeah, I don't feel sorry for Nas (the fucker is in my division in the fantasy league this year. So now I won't get any $200/month for being a division leader, let alone that $200 he owes me from April of last year) but moreover his children; if they grow up in a house where Fallon is acceptable..... yikes. No hope. Might as well raise 'em Cubs fans.

Anyways, sometime I'll write up the blog on Fallon, I just have to study him a little bit more and that's hard to do cuz, you know, I have a soul and thus taste and style. BTW Fred Armisen is gay and a half and from what I can gather of one Howard Stern interview from 2013 a completely horrible person who brandishes the term "punk (rock)" like a fucking badge of honor, you know, akin to those stupid useless pussy riot broads who were at least bright enough to have the front-girl be the one you wanna fuck.

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hes got punchy face and a stupid voice. i agree i really have no idea why the big push for him. hes just a weird guy that is sitting in conans chair.

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

From what I've managed to suss out of this media blitz, it's that he has an "earnestness and enthusiasm" that's really supposed to "resonate with millennials."

First of all, fuck the word "millennial." I hate it, especially since it's supposed to be my generation. Second of all, fuck millennials.

One of David Foster Wallace's most important essays is "E Unibus Pluram." It's long-winded and dense, even for him, but it's necessary as kind of a thesis statement for his entire body of work. To sum it up, the point is that our television culture has created this sensibility of irony built upon irony built upon irony to the point that no one can send nor receive any communication at face value anymore, and that the way to zig where the rest of the world zags will be to speak, write, and act with sincerity -- to say what you mean and not have these layers of irony and snark to dig through. I like that.

Now we have the opposite problem: people so committed to what has apparently become a generational ethos of sincerity and positivity, such that even the people we expect to be professionally funny have less edge than a fucking butter knife. And that's pretty much where we are with Jimmy Fallon. Just as David Letterman and Bill Murray were kind of the guiding lights for Generation X, where people and conventions were just a bunch of bullshit to be ignored, subverted, or treated with outright contempt, now I guess "we" have Jimmy Fallon, where celebrities are just gosh-darn great and it's so cool that there are people who do things and let's all just have a good time and maybe we'll go viral with it, because everyone knows there's no greater achievement in today's world than to Go Viral. Conan O'Brien waded in this shit-water when he got fired and gave that stupid "aw shucks, guys, don't be cynical!" speech, but I suppose he still has some vestigial edge-cred from doing that bit with the masturbating bear.

What DFW wasn't able to tell me was that as emotionally draining as a world of perpetual reflexive irony is, a world of unflappable optimism and earnestness wears your ass right out in quick fashion, too. (Spend time around kids from a Bible college and you'll really know.) When there's so much Being Real defined as being in opposition to Being Detached, especially in the entertainment sector, it's not hard to start seeing them as the dragons rather than the dragon-slayers. Take Jennifer Lawrence. Same principle (but with a much nicer rack). You see her on E! or whatever going on about "ahhh I love to eat, all I wanna do is eat, lol food is the best am I right, FOOOOOOD" and then everyone talks about how refreshing she is, how she shows that you can still look like, act like, and be like a Normal Person and be famous, and I just want to scream at the top of my lungs (but not today; I picked up some nasty bronchitis back in WPB) HAS THIS WHOLE WORLD GONE MAD?!? I don't care how much her all-star team of publicists -- and don't think for a second they're not in on this -- tells her to talk about eating, she's still considerably thinner than any average cute girl you're going to see in and around Chicago (though again, nice tits), still impossibly better-looking than average cute girls, still able to place a higher premium on health and beauty than any normal person whose job isn't to be photographed at 24 fps, and so there's nothing refreshing about a skinny person prattling on about stuffing her face just like normal girls do, because she isn't a normal girl, she never will be, and I don't appreciate the efforts to position her as Someone Our Generation Can Really Get Behind (though again...) because those of us who caught the tail end of Gen-X eye-rolls and sighs still have our bullshit detectors, even if they do catch a few false positives from time to time.

Authenticity is great, don't get me wrong, but sometimes life calls for being authentically skeptical, authentically mean, authentically above the bullshit. Politics and entertainment are two places where you really have to keep your dukes up, because no matter how much Hot Young Millennials talk about being sincere and genuine and hope and change and all that shit, these are sectors where fundamentally, all people want to do is sell you something, and no generational shift in attitude is going to change that.

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EW, who is definitely paid by NBC for this blitz, rhetorically asked "Is Jimmy Fallon the perfect host for the "Like" generation?" because of his stupid spineless ass-kissing demeanor. And methinks thats what NBC is trying to get behind.... he's not a cynical/sarcastic "abuser" of the culture, moreover he knows that his job (and that of Lorne Michaels, who now rules NBC late night with an iron fist. it's fucking amazing how many media people treat SNL with some otherworldly deference where it's this super-important vehicle for comedy and pop culture as a whole, when really it's a 'hole all right, and HINT it's one that provides smelly crap that's known to steam when left outside in the winter)

AHEM. so basically jimmy fallon realizes that his job is to set up a new generation of kids who are too unhip to say "fuck the daily show but i'm there at 11:31 for colbert" to the whole late night talk show format/gimmick/etc. remember when some numbnuts on here asked if conan was going to revolutionize late night / talk shows when he came back after NBC and i laughed in their face? yeah it's kind of like that, however NBC is looking for fallon to basically endear everyone to the mysticism of the late night talk show that carson built up over 30yrs or whatever (and letterman brilliantly deconstructed in the 80s, as his show isn't !!! without carson providing the standard from which he deviated/inverted to provide his style) and now fallon is seen as the guardian of this enshrined/holy TV establishment.

and lost in this media blitz (which has included EW asking if fallon went viral on his first episode, which is ironic and a half CUZ YOU ARE THE OLD/BIG MEDIA PROVIDING ME WITH A YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK WHICH =/= "VIRAL" SEMANTICALLY SPEAKING --- and of course nevermind old/traditional media calling anything that gets popular outside of its influence "viral" because clearly it's a "virus" on the GOOD. MONIED. PEOPLE. whose job is "programming" (us) with television.

but yeah, i've found it really really transparently annoying that the media as a whole has anointed fallon as this insitution of late night television whereas everyone i know with a soul basically knows him as "that one guy who laughed too much on SNL who has the late night talk show with the roots" and nobody holds him up as some great artist/thespian/comedian of note, that is, unless you're a SNL guy doing an interview on howard stern, at which point you have to worship lorne michaels as a god and talk about SNL like it's the most important television program.... ever. which of course used to be the daily show until colbert showed up and showed them how it's done.

stephen colbert > craig ferguson >> jimmy kimmel (this week in unnecessary censorship = far and away the best recurring sketch/gimmick in late-night) >> conan (he sold out his edginess to be more acceptible, and i dont watch his TBS show (who does? 700k people?) but i doubt its as good as the early/smigel years @ late night) >>>>>>> leno >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fallon --- and seth meyers is an unknown, but i bet he'll be a bit better than fallon.

so yeah, basically the only guy really doing anything "to revoutionize late-night" is colbert in that he's actually hilarious and somewhat intelligent in not overtly pandering to idiots. if you're an it-getter like stephen the show is there for you.... i mean he's not quite as good as he was early on when he was even more charged (i.e. taking on the super-highway conspiracy theory with an OMFG THERE'S ROADS DIVIDING US EVERYWHERE!!!!) and uhhh, yeah, fallon ain't going to touch that. so far the best moment on his show was, indeed, stephen colbert... but then again colbert's brilliant, he paid his dues (he was on the freakin dana carvey show FFS!) and nobody will beat him in terms of late night talk.... i'd love to see what he could do with an hour, but we gotta get our liberal talking points out / bigger celebs on with the daily show first. and nobody can stop hardwick @ midnight(11).

CH, that was a fantastic post and i want to be on record as saying i love it when you go out and thoroughly drive home the points. you're the best poster on this board.

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i dont like all the "gen x, gen y, millenials" crap either. the way i see it, youre either a baby boomer, from the hippie generation, an 80's baby (me), or an internet kid. those are my cutoffs.

bill maher said it well on friday too. the internet really did ruin society as we knew it. no longer does everyone hear the same news and same stories, which actually brought people together because we all had things in common. nope, now everyone gets their own tailored version of the news, whether its from the local news, fox news, facebook, or a talk show. and once people find a news source they like, they stick with it not realizing there is so much more going on then what you can get from a single source. The reason newspapers worked is because they had everything in them, and even if people just glanced over the headlines at least they had some inclination of things that were happening in the world.

thing is, i think the benefits of the internet outweigh the drawbacks, we just have to do whatever we can to keep the polarizing nature of the beast in check. maybe teach kids in school the dangers of getting news from small sources like fox news or the daily show, and stick with full content sources like the bbc or pbs... or even, gasp, the newspaper.

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oh and it's scary that there's a "Like" generation out there, evidently. it should be called the "Like button generation" but c'est la vie.... facebook will be out by 2016/17 in favor of twitter and whatever instagram/whatsapp service facebook eventually keeps standalone from facebook cuz they're gonna try and integrate it ASAP (cuz facebook messenger on your phone is super fucking annoying. it literally begs you to tell all the ppl you're talking to to install the app, which is pandercore to the extreme) will be the preferred means of communicating, as the whole "Web page wizard that benevolently hosts all of your personal media (and owns it and can profit off of it without you but shhhhhh)" will fall out and people will basically just get to the essence of talk on their twitter, since there's a small chance rachael ray or somebody might respond to you on twitter but there's no way she cares about that internet meme and/or your hanging out at restaurant x on facebook. that's gonna win out in time.

and the Like button, symbolically, is one of the signs of the downfall of civilziation. it ushers in an age of digital lip-service/superficiality/banality by having people pledge their allegiance to everything from bands, sports teams, entertainers, all the way down to microwaveable chicken sandwiches (i was amazed when my little $1 chicken sandwich had a cellophane wrapper that said LIKE US ON FACEBOOK!) which is all a giant crock because it's just data-mining for targeted marketing/research. that's it. as fun as it is to say THE NSA WANTS TO DATABASE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU!!!! it's not as much that (just like this snowden/THE NSA IS EVERYWHERE!!! CHECK THE DOCUMENTS THEY CAN AIR-GAP COMPTUERS TURNED OFF!!!! --- campaign is all a blitz to get ppl afraid of them and treat the internet more seriously / like-IRL so that way when they have a mandatory internet account/ID/etc it's not as much as a culture/system shock as it would have been a few years ago when myspace was the social media site du jour, still allowing nicknames to take precedence over "real names" --- cuz you know, if you're "jimmy danger" on facebook future employers might not like that so better put your real last name out. ---- but all of the digital ubiquity of spytech = to better market/sell stuff to you. profit is always the motive in the end, or at least the one that matters cuz call it a hunch they dont meet at the bohemian grove every year to fondle each other in robes while burning moloch so they can say "hey i think joe six pack out there has made 8 posts about the illuminati on facebook in the last 6 months. let's send out some assets to make him a targeted individual and get all COINTELPRO on him" --- no, it's more about the macro, and of course the giant robed gay orgy while burning moloch.... duh.

and to say that jimmy fallon is the (late night) TV equivalent of the like button? that symbol epitomizes it all.... thats all he is. and the fact he's in drag with the first lady on in the first few days shoes you that 1) the presidency is basically a made-for-TV acting gig, as it has been since they literally installed an actor in the position in 1980 to start the culture/paradigm shift from those stupid fucking taking-from-me demand siders over to the deserves-to-be-exalted-just-ask-bernstein supply siders. cuz yeah, life isnt about those stupid fucking people demanding stuff... it's about those people who supply it. they should run things cuz what the fuck are you other than a leech who is demanding stuff? feel lucky and praise god that you have any stuff, as such is the social contract since the mid-90s or so when the new/square deal was formally shat all over. and 2) it shows you that basically he has no taste/style/backbone and basically he's just an instrument of the powers that be pushing the LGBT agenda out there in full force and everything.... i mean gotta get society's standards low so everyone gets that much shadier over time so the super-surveilence-state has that much more merit, cuz every communist/empire/dictatorship/corporate-oligarchy/whatever needs both the enemy within (degenerates, "conspiracy theoriests", militia folk, and YOU if you dont plat by the rules) and the enemy outside (al kay-duh) so yeah, fallon is out there to be a veritable pop culture windsock and just push everyhting along.... while massmedia shoves youtube clips down your throat and remarks how "viral" this fallon guy has been since he started the tonight show gig.

c;'est la vie. fallon blows and his show is unwatchable as i tried on opening night and.... just.... god. it's going to be super fucking annoying for the next 6-12 months as this media blitz to install a favorable opinion of him in your head continues. because dammit they dont want YOU going to bed without reminders from your media overlords that you like these chosen superpeasants (i.e. paid the cost to be the middle-management, not boss cuz that's way above their paygrade) and etc.... fallon being a spineless little shit who loves everythring, including you, is meant to be this generation's "get with the program" stuff... and yeah im done ranting. my longevity aint doing justice like CH's did so c'est la vie.

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Wow,after reading the negativity on Fallon,it makes me wonder if I'm off about him.
I have mentioned in other threads that I don't like how he incorporates trends in his show,like Twitter quotes.
He did tell a mean joke about Ryan Seacrest being in the closet. I like Conan & Letterman but even those two
have lost a lot on their fastball in recent years. Conan is hampered by D-List guests about 80% of the time on TBS.
The only thing I watch on TBS is King of Queens reruns. Letterman is so pathetic in his liberal musings,he still takes potshots at George Bush. Now that's really lazy.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

it's ok jimmy... society/media is literally designed to program you, and right now everything around you (in a media sense) is on a mission to make you like jimmy fallon. NBC is evidently paying the big bucks to make sure everyone's in lockstep only saying positive things and linking you to all of his HEEEE-LAR-IOUS sketches and bits. i dont know what the bigger picture is in terms of societal conditioning, however rest assured this is basically a last ditch effort to save the holistic format of the late night talk show (as institutionalized by johnny carson; double intendre if you wish) and make people care about it, because they know the younger kids with a soul aren't going to ditch stewart, colbert, and conan to a smaller degree. or just stay on the internet until they go to bed cuz TV is lame.

basically, jimmy fallon sucks.... he's a product of the lorne michaels machine that sucks and hasn''t been funny or relevant since the mid-90s (although tv/media wants you to think that tina fey as sarah palin was some moment, nevermind that SNL doesnt do satire with teeth/an-actual-point/message anymore) and it's almost fascinating to watch massmedia en masse go around saying fallon is great, fallon is good when in actuality his show is horrible and terrible, yet their power to persuade the minds of the commoners works and indeed people now want to find things to like with fallon.... and fortunately every bit he has is going to be spammed to youtube and distrobuted through every big media institution/blog with the audacity to claim "look at this viral smash! fallon gets the internet!!!!" --- left unchecked, this kind of power could eventually....... render the society you live in today.

fortunately, there's ensouled people out there like Curious Hair and myself there to provide you with the cold sober truth that is reality.... and hey, fortunately we don't have anything better to do with a good % of our time than help out the middleaged lower/middle-class neo/WASPs of the board with that whole "information" thing.

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I wonder if the WASP will be in the new Antman movie.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."