that dude was director of player development for the expos before that whole 1994 thing made everybody go "holy shit, they know what the fuck they're doing!"

it's like showing up your gothy industrial friends by playing a throbbing gristle tape, and while they make faces about how awful the music is you're like "b-b-b-but dude they coined the term industrial music for industrial people! where do you think it came from!" so then you reach a compromise as everyone agrees psychic tv was just "ok."

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The Sox let him get away so they could give their job to Kenny Williams. Where are Aggravated Bob and bigfan?

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Word.

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that's pretty funny.... but what would be most funny would be if neither the A's or the Tigers make it to the WS

One of the won't for sure.

I bet the Tigers will be that team.

Price's play off stats are decidedly underwhelming.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/_/i ... avid-price

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Well they arent winning it


http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=87768

People had the ethnic heritage of really smart management wrong for all this time

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Dombrowski was let go by the Sox in 1986 while Kenny was a 22 yr old hitting .129. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good narrative.

So what? They still dumped Dombrowski so they could hire Williams. Just like they fired LaRussa and hired Bevington. Make Hawk the GM again. He wants to try a 4 man rotation.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Who has won more WS in the last 15 year?














If you guessed Kenny Williams you are right. #WhiteSox

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

What the Hell are you talking about? Dombrowski wasn't replaced by Williams. Williams' playing career didn't conclude until the early 90s, long after Dombrowski's departure from the Sox. Dombrowski's termination and Williams' hire are entirely unrelated.

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It's about the quality of people they choose to put in charge vs. the ones they let go. Is it hard to understand? Fanboys! HOOTERVILLE!

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I do love that some people actually do get upset (Keyser and TM) that JORR even mentioned this as if it was a choice between KW and DD. That was never the point JORR was making.

All some Sox fans know is that KW was the GM in title, so he must have been the reason they won. If that is what you choose to think, then so be it.

Thank god Kenny found you guys Jose Abreu, without Kenny that also would have never happened. Go ahead, just ask him.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Huh? The quality of the Sox organization has nothing to do with your original claim. You were drawing a causal relationship between the Dombrowski firing and the Williams hiring; such a relationship does not exist.

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The "You have one minute to acquire Chris Sale" line is pretty great.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Go back and read his original post. That's exactly the point he was making. And it is factually incorrect.

I attribute much of Kenny's fleeting success as a general manager to Ozzie's input. Unfortunately, Ozzie's level of megalomaniacal insanity grew exponentially following 2005 and undermined his baseball acumen. This also meant that Ozzie's influence on Kenny waned, leaving Kenny to rely on his own deeply flawed counsel when it came to baseball matters.

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Kenny Williams put together a WS team and teams that competed ever season. A of this was accomplished on a limited budget.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

YOU ARE 100% CORRECT SIR!

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

The guy may be crazy, but I do believe that Ozzie is a baseball genius. If his ego is no longer out of control, I would love to see him back in the Sox organization.

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No, I'm saying when you consistently get rid of elite guys and keep ordinary ones, there's a problem.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Who are the elite guys the Sox have consistently purged from the organization?

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Matters who you ask. Jerry rarely sees them as Elite or not Elite. He sees guys he just likes (Farmer and Hawk) and guys he doesnt like (Ray Clay, Dan Evans, most agents). Hahn is a case, where he knew the game was about to get away from him in terms of stats and advanced matrics, Hahn was the contract guy for the last 5 years and knew the numbers and if he didnt give him the job Hahn was going to be a GM elsewhere.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

LaRussa, Dombrowski and Hemond for starters. Some people would say Leyland. They keep Jerry ass-kissers under their "loyalty" program. You go far in a Reinsdorf org by kissing Jerry's ass.

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I won't complain about Evans but he was probably more deserving than Kenny at the time.

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You're talking about things that happened 20+ years ago, when Reinsdorf let Hawk take control of the franchise. He corrected that mistake rather quickly. Where is the evidence of a sustained pattern of purging "elite" talent within the Sox organization?

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Evans spent 4-5 years being groomed as the Asst GM, Kenny was the director of minor league bribery and kickbacks.

Imagine if your the Asst GM at the local Piggly Wiggly. You worked there for 20 years. You have been groomed to be the GM.

Then afer 21 years, the GM announces his retirement and the CEO steps and says the head cashier is going to be the GM and you are fired.

That story though doesnt get out as much as the "Pay Jay Williams after the accident or pay for Bill cartwright" from the vast coffeurs of the chicago bulls.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Where is the elite talent? There are a bunch of yes men. He'll probably let Williams run Hahn off eventually. Maybe make Darryl Boston the GM.

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What's Dan Evans doing these days besides stealing money from people for a bullshit on-line scout school?

Hahn is well entrenched and even more than Kenny at this point. Kenny is like Jerrys personal pitbull, but if Push came to shove, Hahn could get Kenny out, which was why kenny was "promoted" in the first place, too bad kenny doesnt know that.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”