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Author: | Northside_Dan [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Barry Bonds |
http://regressing.deadspin.com/barry-bo ... socialflow Some of those stats are just unreal. |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Fuck him and his oversized cranium. |
Author: | Don Tiny [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
badrogue17 wrote: Fuck him and his oversized cranium. |
Author: | Hawg Ass [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
badrogue17 wrote: Fuck him and his oversized cranium. Spanky is a pretty nice guy actually. |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Greatest baseball player I've ever seen. Just sad that his ego destroyed a HoF career. |
Author: | Hockey Gay [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Greatest baseball player of all time. Belongs in the Hall. |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Hockey Gay wrote: Greatest baseball player of all time. Belongs in the Hall. Babe is in the HoF. |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Hockey Gay wrote: Greatest baseball player of all time. Belongs in the Hall. No. |
Author: | Hockey Gay [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
The PED stuff has never bugged me. I'm just a fan who wants to be entertained. Bonds and Griffey did that best for me. |
Author: | spmack [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Hawg Ass wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Fuck him and his oversized cranium. Spanky is a pretty nice guy actually. |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Hockey Gay wrote: The PED stuff has never bugged me. I'm just a fan who wants to be entertained. Bonds and Griffey did that best for me. I feel the same way for the most part. The thing that bothers me the most about Bonds is he didn't need to do it. Hitting 40 homeruns was fine. He decided he should put up numbers that most people couldn't get on a video game because he was jealous of Sosa and McGuire. |
Author: | IMU [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Barry Bonds is definitely the best baseball player I've ever watched. He is definitely a Hall of Famer. That post does a great job of highlighting that he would have been a great Hall of Famer with zero home runs. |
Author: | JORR [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Nas wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: The PED stuff has never bugged me. I'm just a fan who wants to be entertained. Bonds and Griffey did that best for me. I feel the same way for the most part. The thing that bothers me the most about Bonds is he didn't need to do it. Hitting 40 homeruns was fine. He decided he should put up numbers that most people couldn't get on a video game because he was jealous of Sosa and McGuire. That's if you buy the narrative that he was clean until 1999. I think it's a lot more likely that he was taking run of the mill stuff like a lot of guys from the early 90s on and then went to BALCO for the heavy cola in '99. |
Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Bonds finished 6th in Rookie of the Year voting. 7th was Jim Deshaies. |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: The PED stuff has never bugged me. I'm just a fan who wants to be entertained. Bonds and Griffey did that best for me. I feel the same way for the most part. The thing that bothers me the most about Bonds is he didn't need to do it. Hitting 40 homeruns was fine. He decided he should put up numbers that most people couldn't get on a video game because he was jealous of Sosa and McGuire. That's if you buy the narrative that he was clean until 1999. I think it's a lot more likely that he was taking run of the mill stuff like a lot of guys from the early 90s on and then went to BALCO for the heavy cola in '99. Amphetamines? Beyond that and something I can pick up at GNC I doubt he was doing much more than that. His skills were starting to decline in 1998. He probably could have been a 30 home run guy for a handful of seasons but that wasn't enough for him. Especially seeing how popular McGuire and Sosa was. He should be viewed by everyone as the greatest player of the modern era but he will be forever viewed as a surly cheater. |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
He'll be viewed by me as a fucking choke playoff performer for 3 straight years costing Pittsburgh a World Series a couple times while subjecting me to Braves NL champs before he discovered PED's and could suddenly "hit" in crunch time. He can fuck off. |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
badrogue17 wrote: He'll be viewed by me as a fucking choke playoff performer for 3 straight years costing Pittsburgh a World Series a couple times while subjecting me to Braves NL champs before he discovered PED's and could suddenly "hit" in crunch time. He can fuck off. I don't think they help you hit in the clutch. More experience helps. I was happy he choked during those years. We had the racist Braves chant going in my house as a kid. |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Nas wrote: badrogue17 wrote: He'll be viewed by me as a fucking choke playoff performer for 3 straight years costing Pittsburgh a World Series a couple times while subjecting me to Braves NL champs before he discovered PED's and could suddenly "hit" in crunch time. He can fuck off. I don't think they help you hit in the clutch. More experience helps. I was happy he choked during those years. We had the racist Braves chant going in my house as a kid. Cant do it. Couldn't root for those fucks.I loved those Pirate teams. Francisco fucking Cabrera. |
Author: | JORR [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Nas wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: The PED stuff has never bugged me. I'm just a fan who wants to be entertained. Bonds and Griffey did that best for me. I feel the same way for the most part. The thing that bothers me the most about Bonds is he didn't need to do it. Hitting 40 homeruns was fine. He decided he should put up numbers that most people couldn't get on a video game because he was jealous of Sosa and McGuire. That's if you buy the narrative that he was clean until 1999. I think it's a lot more likely that he was taking run of the mill stuff like a lot of guys from the early 90s on and then went to BALCO for the heavy cola in '99. Amphetamines? Beyond that and something I can pick up at GNC I doubt he was doing much more than that. His skills were starting to decline in 1998. He probably could have been a 30 home run guy for a handful of seasons but that wasn't enough for him. Especially seeing how popular McGuire and Sosa was. He should be viewed by everyone as the greatest player of the modern era but he will be forever viewed as a surly cheater. Regular steroids- andro, creatine, equipoise, whatever. The same stuff Canseco, McGwire, Sosa, etc. were doing. That wasn't enough so he went out and paid for some real custom stuff. That's my belief anyway. |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Yeah I don't believe that he was ever doing what Sosa and McGuire was doing before 1999. Sosa came to spring training looking like the Michelin Man. You don't look like that shopping at GNC. Bonds was still normal looking until Balco. |
Author: | bigfan [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Nas wrote: Yeah I don't believe that he was ever doing what Sosa and McGuire was doing before 1999. Sosa came to spring training looking like the Michelin Man. You don't look like that shopping at GNC. Bonds was still normal looking until Balco. Thats the claim from his GF. She said he would get pissed watching them and got on his own program. Bottom line, he, pete, Sammy , Mac..etc all need to be in the HOF. You want to give them a wing (ask them to to donate for it) with a plaque that says what happened, buts its time the HOF started to look at it. |
Author: | Chus [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Regular steroids- andro, creatine, equipoise, whatever. The same stuff Canseco, McGwire, Sosa, etc. were doing. That wasn't enough so he went out and paid for some real custom stuff. That's my belief anyway. According to Game of Shadows, this is correct. |
Author: | 312player [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
He was a hall of famer before he started juicing. I wouldn't put McGuire in even if he were clean..the guy wasn't that good . I don't care how many homers he hit. If bonds got pitched to , when he was on the juice ..he could have hit 200 hr in a season... I hate what PEDs did to baseball..can't put any of em in that are confirmed cheats. |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
312player wrote: He was a hall of famer before he started juicing. I wouldn't put McGuire in even if he were clean..the guy wasn't that good . I don't care how many homers he hit. If bonds got pitched to , when he was on the juice ..he could have hit 200 hr in a season... I hate what PEDs did to baseball..can't put any of em in that are confirmed cheats. Bonds was never convicted. Sosa and McGuire aren't HoFers without help. |
Author: | 312player [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
None of those guys are hall of famers without PEDs except Bonds. |
Author: | JORR [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
312player wrote: He was a hall of famer before he started juicing. We have no idea when he started juicing. |
Author: | 312player [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Convicted doesn't mean much IMO.. Its obvious Bonds used HGH . You may have no idea..I do..it was after scrubs like Sosa n McGuire took baseball by storm . |
Author: | Nas [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
312player wrote: None of those guys are hall of famers without PEDs except Bonds. #Truth |
Author: | JORR [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
312player wrote: Convicted doesn't mean much IMO.. Its obvious Bonds used HGH . You may have no idea..I do..it was after scrubs like Sosa n McGuire took baseball by storm . More likely it was in 1992 when his homers suddenly doubled. |
Author: | Scooter [ Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Barry Bonds |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: 312player wrote: He was a hall of famer before he started juicing. We have no idea when he started juicing. For the first time ever I agree with 312 player. He started juicing after Sosa and Mac started getting all the attention. Fact. |
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