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Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list

bigfan wrote:

Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list

He's more of a punch line than an enemy. KW has a world series ring. BB has a book written by an infatuated author.

leashyourkids wrote:

He is a great GM.

Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though.

Nas wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

He is a great GM.

Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though.

Hypothetical Billy Beane!

bigfan wrote:

Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list

He's more of a punch line than an enemy. KW has a world series ring. BB has a book written by an infatuated author.

It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent.

Nas wrote:

It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent.

The A's were a dynasty only a little while before Beane got there. I don't know where the idea comes from that it is impossible to win there.

It's hard to have success in baseball when you have one of the lowest payrolls.

The Sox payroll shot up after 2005, but there were many years before that where the payroll was pretty close.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

He is a great GM.

Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though.

Hypothetical Billy Beane!

It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent.

Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job".

Are you guys missing the point that his own team has now given him a promotion which isn't really a promotion like they did with Kenny?

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Are you guys missing the point that his own team has now given him a promotion which isn't really a promotion like they did with Kenny?

what exactly does Beane do now that he has (and apparently has had for some time) a "defacto GM"?

Chus wrote:

Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job".

much like Theo picking up Lester, good GM's screw up every once in a while.

City of Fools wrote:

Chus wrote:

Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job".

much like Theo picking up Lester, good GM's screw up every once in a while.

Those are two HUGE mistakes in a four month time frame. Beane has not done an amazing job.

Chus wrote:

City of Fools wrote:

Chus wrote:

Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job".

much like Theo picking up Lester, good GM's screw up every once in a while.

Those are two HUGE mistakes in a four month time frame. Beane has not done an amazing job.

he lost in a crapshoot game and tried to fix his previous playoff mistakes roster wise. It didn't work out. We will enjoy Russell but I still view Beane as a good regular season GM who has done some amazing seasons with very little money.

Nas wrote:

It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent.

The A's were a dynasty only a little while before Beane got there. I don't know where the idea comes from that it is impossible to win there.

It's also not anyones fault but his own that he stayed in Oakland.

If Oakland is a limiting factor then go someplace else.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:14 am ]
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Getting the Kenny Williams promotion for a job well done! Congratulations and enjoy your new role!

Author:	jimmypasta [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:16 am ]
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Should Brad Pitt make a sequel?

Author:	leashyourkids [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
He is a great GM.

Author:	bigfan [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:21 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list

Author:	good dolphin [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
bigfan wrote: Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list He's more of a punch line than an enemy. KW has a world series ring. BB has a book written by an infatuated author.

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Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
good dolphin wrote: bigfan wrote: Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list He's more of a punch line than an enemy. KW has a world series ring. BB has a book written by an infatuated author. This guy gets it. As everyone knows, the best revenge is living well.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
leashyourkids wrote: He is a great GM. Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though.

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:37 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
He's traded away Josh Donaldson, Carlos Gonzalez, Yeonis Cespedes, Gio Gonzalez and Addison Russell.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Nas wrote: leashyourkids wrote: He is a great GM. Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though. Hypothetical Billy Beane!

Author:	Nas [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:41 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: leashyourkids wrote: He is a great GM. Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though. Hypothetical Billy Beane! It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent.

Author:	Terry's Peeps [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:42 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
good dolphin wrote: bigfan wrote: Where does he fall on the Sox list of enemies? Its a long list He's more of a punch line than an enemy. KW has a world series ring. BB has a book written by an infatuated author. Yep. Kenny is better than Billy.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:43 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Nas wrote: It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent. The A's were a dynasty only a little while before Beane got there. I don't know where the idea comes from that it is impossible to win there.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:49 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent. The A's were a dynasty only a little while before Beane got there. I don't know where the idea comes from that it is impossible to win there. It's hard to have success in baseball when you have one of the lowest payrolls.

Author:	BigW72 [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:50 am ]
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All things being equal in terms of payroll and organization structure, I'd take Billy Beane over KW.

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Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:51 am ]
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Nas wrote: It's hard to have success in baseball when you have one of the lowest payrolls. No doubt, but you don't have to make it more than it is with the job he did there.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:57 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
The Sox payroll shot up after 2005, but there were many years before that where the payroll was pretty close.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Boilermaker Rick wrote: The Sox payroll shot up after 2005, but there were many years before that where the payroll was pretty close. I agree. That's why I loved what Kenny did. He didn't get burnt on a trade until after the WS. Not agreeing to take back Willis in the Cabrera deal is where the slide started.

Author:	Elmhurst Steve [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:49 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Nas wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: leashyourkids wrote: He is a great GM. Agreed. Give him the Yankees payroll and he probably has multiple titles. Theo kicked his ass last year though. Hypothetical Billy Beane! It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent. Correct. People can talk about guys he traded away and rightfully so. He traded away some guys way before he had to that were/are very good. But realize that he traded many of the players, because he had to. He could not afford to retain them, with the budget he is given. Trading away guys like Russell was done in desperation. He thought he had a team that might actually be able to contend for a title, if given a couple more starting pitchers (Shark and Hammel) to put them over the top. He does have an amazing eye for talent. Well, he and his scouts do. Otherwise they wouldn't sign, draft and develop sufficient talent to remain relevant so often and have so many good players to deal away, who wind up being remembered best as guys who shouldn't have been traded. But again, he trades them when he can no longer keep them due to his budget, or trades guys when he needs a piece to complete a puzzle. he's done an amazing job.

Author:	Chus [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:04 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job".

Author:	City of Fools [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Chus wrote: Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job". much like Theo picking up Lester, good GM's screw up every once in a while.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Are you guys missing the point that his own team has now given him a promotion which isn't really a promotion like they did with Kenny?

Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:10 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
City of Fools wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Are you guys missing the point that his own team has now given him a promotion which isn't really a promotion like they did with Kenny? what exactly does Beane do now that he has (and apparently has had for some time) a "defacto GM"? Take over for Hawk in the White Sox booth.

Author:	Chus [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
City of Fools wrote: Chus wrote: Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job". much like Theo picking up Lester, good GM's screw up every once in a while. Those are two HUGE mistakes in a four month time frame. Beane has not done an amazing job.

Author:	Terry's Peeps [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:21 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
He's never even won a World Series. Loser.

Author:	Chus [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
City of Fools wrote: Chus wrote: City of Fools wrote: Chus wrote: Beane traded Josh Donaldson and Addison Russell for virtually nothing. We have a different definition of "amazing job". much like Theo picking up Lester, good GM's screw up every once in a while. Those are two HUGE mistakes in a four month time frame. Beane has not done an amazing job. he lost in a crapshoot game and tried to fix his previous playoff mistakes roster wise. It didn't work out. We will enjoy Russell but I still view Beane as a good regular season GM who has done some amazing seasons with very little money. Good regular season GM. That's a good way to describe him. Winning one playoff series in eighteen years is not an amazing job, as previously stated.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:26 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
It's also not anyones fault but his own that he stayed in Oakland. If Oakland is a limiting factor then go someplace else.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:26 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: It's not really a stretch considering the regular season success he's had with the lowest payrolls in baseball. He has an eye for talent. The A's were a dynasty only a little while before Beane got there. I don't know where the idea comes from that it is impossible to win there. I think they had a pretty high payroll in the dynasty years. Like maybe the highest in baseball.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:28 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Billy Beane!
Boilermaker Rick wrote: It's also not anyones fault but his own that he stayed in Oakland. If Oakland is a limiting factor then go someplace else. But he's sort of become bigger than just an executive in Oakland, hasn't he? I thought he owns a stake in the team itself, among other perks. Always assumed he stayed there because, relative to other GMs, he's got it made in Oakland.