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Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:  France!

I've always heard the French are cowardly. They're acting a hell of a lot more courageously than we are.

Quote:
French President Francois Hollande today promised that “France will remain a country of freedom,” defending his decision to honor a commitment to accept migrants and refugees despite Friday’s deadly terrorist attacks in Paris.

“Life should resume fully,” Hollande told a gathering of the country’s mayors, who gave him a standing ovation. “What would France be without its museums, without its terraces, its concerts, its sports competitions?

“France should remain as it is. Our duty is to carry on our lives.”

In the same spirit, he added, “30,000 refugees will be welcomed over the next two years. Our country has the duty to respect this commitment,” explaining that they will undergo vigorous security checks.

Hollande noted that “some people say the tragic events of the last few days have sown doubts in their minds,” but called it a “humanitarian duty” to help those people … but one that will go hand in hand with “our duty to protect our people.”

“We have to reinforce our borders while remaining true to our values,” he said.

Author:  Brick [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:49 pm ]
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They aren't doing anything different than us though.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:50 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
They aren't doing anything different than us though.

Only because we are fortunate enough to not have a Republican chicken hawk in office right now.

Author:  pittmike [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:52 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
They aren't doing anything different than us though.



Yeah and I bet they also have their share of social media dissenters as well.

Author:  badrogue17 [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:56 pm ]
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Image

Author:  Don Tiny [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:04 pm ]
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Kenny Williams has a three-year plan for Syrian refugees.

Author:  badrogue17 [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:05 pm ]
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Don Tiny wrote:
Kenny Williams has a three-year plan for Syrian refugees.

Im sure they'll enjoy his steaks

Author:  shakes [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:24 pm ]
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Fuck France. They've allowed violent antisemitism to flourish unchecked for several years there and all they did was give those terrorists the confidence and freedom to do whatever they wanted, which they did this past week with the attacks. But, now that the attacks are on the gen pop and not just Jews they are all pissed off.

Here's an article about the anti-semitism in France. In the past decade no less than 400 incidents per year. The poll the cite is especially chilling.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dominique-reynie/antisemitism-in-france-fa_b_6178804.html

As far as I'm concerned they got what they deserved and they can fuck off.

Author:  Seacrest [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:27 pm ]
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shakes wrote:
Fuck France. They've allowed violent antisemitism to flourish unchecked for several years there and all they did was give those terrorists the confidence and freedom to do whatever they wanted, which they did this past week with the attacks. But, now that the attacks are on the gen pop and not just Jews they are all pissed off.

Here's an article about the anti-semitism in France. In the past decade no less than 400 incidents per year. The poll the cite is especially chilling.



The theater they attacked was owned by a Jew.

Author:  shakes [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:31 pm ]
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Seacrest wrote:
shakes wrote:
Fuck France. They've allowed violent antisemitism to flourish unchecked for several years there and all they did was give those terrorists the confidence and freedom to do whatever they wanted, which they did this past week with the attacks. But, now that the attacks are on the gen pop and not just Jews they are all pissed off.

Here's an article about the anti-semitism in France. In the past decade no less than 400 incidents per year. The poll the cite is especially chilling.



The theater they attacked was owned by a Jew.



Well I feel bad for that guy.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:41 pm ]
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shakes wrote:
Fuck France. They've allowed violent antisemitism to flourish unchecked for several years there and all they did was give those terrorists the confidence and freedom to do whatever they wanted, which they did this past week with the attacks. But, now that the attacks are on the gen pop and not just Jews they are all pissed off.

Here's an article about the anti-semitism in France. In the past decade no less than 400 incidents per year. The poll the cite is especially chilling.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dominique-reynie/antisemitism-in-france-fa_b_6178804.html

As far as I'm concerned they got what they deserved and they can fuck off.

By this logic, every single country who's ever suffered a terrorist attack deserved it. Nice thought.

Author:  shakes [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:57 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
shakes wrote:
Fuck France. They've allowed violent antisemitism to flourish unchecked for several years there and all they did was give those terrorists the confidence and freedom to do whatever they wanted, which they did this past week with the attacks. But, now that the attacks are on the gen pop and not just Jews they are all pissed off.

Here's an article about the anti-semitism in France. In the past decade no less than 400 incidents per year. The poll the cite is especially chilling.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dominique-reynie/antisemitism-in-france-fa_b_6178804.html

As far as I'm concerned they got what they deserved and they can fuck off.

By this logic, every single country who's ever suffered a terrorist attack deserved it. Nice thought.


If by "logic" you really mean "strawman" then yes, I guess you are correct.

If by "logic" you really mean "logic" then no.


Find me another country with as pathetic a record as France has over the past decade in terms of anti-semitism and then we can talk.

Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:57 pm ]
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shakes wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
shakes wrote:
Fuck France. They've allowed violent antisemitism to flourish unchecked for several years there and all they did was give those terrorists the confidence and freedom to do whatever they wanted, which they did this past week with the attacks. But, now that the attacks are on the gen pop and not just Jews they are all pissed off.

Here's an article about the anti-semitism in France. In the past decade no less than 400 incidents per year. The poll the cite is especially chilling.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dominique-reynie/antisemitism-in-france-fa_b_6178804.html

As far as I'm concerned they got what they deserved and they can fuck off.

By this logic, every single country who's ever suffered a terrorist attack deserved it. Nice thought.


If by "logic" you really mean "strawman" then yes, I guess you are correct.

If by "logic" you really mean "logic" then no.


Find me another country with as pathetic a record as France has over the past decade in terms of anti-semitism and then we can talk.


Iran.

Author:  shakes [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:00 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
shakes wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
shakes wrote:
Fuck France. They've allowed violent antisemitism to flourish unchecked for several years there and all they did was give those terrorists the confidence and freedom to do whatever they wanted, which they did this past week with the attacks. But, now that the attacks are on the gen pop and not just Jews they are all pissed off.

Here's an article about the anti-semitism in France. In the past decade no less than 400 incidents per year. The poll the cite is especially chilling.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dominique-reynie/antisemitism-in-france-fa_b_6178804.html

As far as I'm concerned they got what they deserved and they can fuck off.

By this logic, every single country who's ever suffered a terrorist attack deserved it. Nice thought.


If by "logic" you really mean "strawman" then yes, I guess you are correct.

If by "logic" you really mean "logic" then no.


Find me another country with as pathetic a record as France has over the past decade in terms of anti-semitism and then we can talk.


Iran.


I would say that Iran probably has some of the least recorded acts of anti-semitism in the world. Of course that's not for lack of trying as it is for lack of Jews.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:06 pm ]
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shakes wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
shakes wrote:
Fuck France. They've allowed violent antisemitism to flourish unchecked for several years there and all they did was give those terrorists the confidence and freedom to do whatever they wanted, which they did this past week with the attacks. But, now that the attacks are on the gen pop and not just Jews they are all pissed off.

Here's an article about the anti-semitism in France. In the past decade no less than 400 incidents per year. The poll the cite is especially chilling.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dominique-reynie/antisemitism-in-france-fa_b_6178804.html

As far as I'm concerned they got what they deserved and they can fuck off.

By this logic, every single country who's ever suffered a terrorist attack deserved it. Nice thought.


If by "logic" you really mean "strawman" then yes, I guess you are correct.

If by "logic" you really mean "logic" then no.


Find me another country with as pathetic a record as France has over the past decade in terms of anti-semitism and then we can talk.

I get that you're Jewish, but anti-semitism isn't the only act of bigotry in the world. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, and then we can discuss "logic".

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:08 pm ]
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Quote:
I don't want to discuss antisemitism. I want to talk about my pain.

Author:  shakes [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:15 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
I get that you're Jewish, but anti-semitism isn't the only act of bigotry in the world. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, and then we can discuss "logic".



So anti-semitism is ok as long as there are other acts of bigotry out there?


As for not thinking about myself, I'm pretty sure I don't live in France yet I'm thinking about all the Jews there. Doesn't that count? Jews that have been fleeing the country for a decade because they aren't safe and no one in France seems to give a crap? Where was all the French support for those people? Name another modern major country where a religious group is so persecuted that its no longer safe for their people to live there..and the government and populace don't care or do anything to stop the persecution?

So back on topic are you going to answer the question or just continue to play strawman games? IN case you forgot, name me another country with as deplorable a record as France has for anti-semitism over the past 10 years?

Author:  shakes [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:17 pm ]
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G.O.P. wrote:
Anti-Semite really means "Anti-Arab".

I'm not sure why or how this term was appropriated to refer to Jewish people only.


Its because the Jewry owns the media

-22% of France

Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:18 pm ]
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shakes wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I get that you're Jewish, but anti-semitism isn't the only act of bigotry in the world. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, and then we can discuss "logic".



So anti-semitism is ok as long as there are other acts of bigotry out there?


As for not thinking about myself, I'm pretty sure I don't live in France yet I'm thinking about all the Jews there. Doesn't that count? Jews that have been fleeing the country for a decade because they aren't safe and no one in France seems to give a crap? Where was all the French support for those people? Name another modern major country where a religious group is so persecuted that its no longer safe for their people to live there..and the government and populace don't care or do anything to stop the persecution?

So back on topic are you going to answer the question or just continue to play strawman games? IN case you forgot, name me another country with as deplorable a record as France has for anti-semitism over the past 10 years?


China.

Author:  shakes [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:22 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
shakes wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I get that you're Jewish, but anti-semitism isn't the only act of bigotry in the world. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, and then we can discuss "logic".



So anti-semitism is ok as long as there are other acts of bigotry out there?


As for not thinking about myself, I'm pretty sure I don't live in France yet I'm thinking about all the Jews there. Doesn't that count? Jews that have been fleeing the country for a decade because they aren't safe and no one in France seems to give a crap? Where was all the French support for those people? Name another modern major country where a religious group is so persecuted that its no longer safe for their people to live there..and the government and populace don't care or do anything to stop the persecution?

So back on topic are you going to answer the question or just continue to play strawman games? IN case you forgot, name me another country with as deplorable a record as France has for anti-semitism over the past 10 years?


China.


I was unaware of this so I did a little looking. Looks like there are some anti-semetic views there, especially amongst the older generations, but I'm not sure about any actual violent acts. Also there are very few Jews there, especially compared to France. Probably not that many muslims either, unlike France. Seems like the bigotry towards Jews there has a lot to do with lack of exposure to them as opposed to France.

Author:  City of Fools [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:22 pm ]
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G.O.P. wrote:
Anti-Semite really means "Anti-Arab".

I'm not sure why or how this term was appropriated to refer to Jewish people only.

thanks, Hitler.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:26 pm ]
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shakes wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I get that you're Jewish, but anti-semitism isn't the only act of bigotry in the world. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, and then we can discuss "logic".



So anti-semitism is ok as long as there are other acts of bigotry out there?


As for not thinking about myself, I'm pretty sure I don't live in France yet I'm thinking about all the Jews there. Doesn't that count? Jews that have been fleeing the country for a decade because they aren't safe and no one in France seems to give a crap? Where was all the French support for those people? Name another modern major country where a religious group is so persecuted that its no longer safe for their people to live there..and the government and populace don't care or do anything to stop the persecution?

So back on topic are you going to answer the question or just continue to play strawman games? IN case you forgot, name me another country with as deplorable a record as France has for anti-semitism over the past 10 years?

:lol: I have no clue what place you went to mentally to get that from what I wrote.

Again, you seem incapable of looking at violent acts other than those done to Jewish people. If a country deserves to be attacked by terrorists because some of the population commits bigoted acts of violence, and the government has done little to prevent that, then a whole lot of modern countries deserve to be attacked by terrorists. Again, this is using your "logic".

Author:  shakes [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:31 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
shakes wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I get that you're Jewish, but anti-semitism isn't the only act of bigotry in the world. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, and then we can discuss "logic".



So anti-semitism is ok as long as there are other acts of bigotry out there?


As for not thinking about myself, I'm pretty sure I don't live in France yet I'm thinking about all the Jews there. Doesn't that count? Jews that have been fleeing the country for a decade because they aren't safe and no one in France seems to give a crap? Where was all the French support for those people? Name another modern major country where a religious group is so persecuted that its no longer safe for their people to live there..and the government and populace don't care or do anything to stop the persecution?

So back on topic are you going to answer the question or just continue to play strawman games? IN case you forgot, name me another country with as deplorable a record as France has for anti-semitism over the past 10 years?

:lol: I have no clue what place you went to mentally to get that from what I wrote.

Again, you seem incapable of looking at violent acts other than those done to Jewish people. If a country deserves to be attacked by terrorists because some of the population commits bigoted acts of violence, and the government has done little to prevent that, then a whole lot of modern countries deserve to be attacked by terrorists. Again, this is using your "logic".



NOt quite.

If a country allows terrorism to flourish against a segment of its population for 10 years they lose the right to get upset when those terrorists (or similar terrorists working under similar ideology) up their game and start going after the entire population.

name another country besides France that falls under that umbrella.

Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:42 pm ]
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shakes wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
shakes wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
I get that you're Jewish, but anti-semitism isn't the only act of bigotry in the world. Think of someone other than yourself for a change, and then we can discuss "logic".



So anti-semitism is ok as long as there are other acts of bigotry out there?


As for not thinking about myself, I'm pretty sure I don't live in France yet I'm thinking about all the Jews there. Doesn't that count? Jews that have been fleeing the country for a decade because they aren't safe and no one in France seems to give a crap? Where was all the French support for those people? Name another modern major country where a religious group is so persecuted that its no longer safe for their people to live there..and the government and populace don't care or do anything to stop the persecution?

So back on topic are you going to answer the question or just continue to play strawman games? IN case you forgot, name me another country with as deplorable a record as France has for anti-semitism over the past 10 years?


China.


I was unaware of this so I did a little looking. Looks like there are some anti-semetic views there, especially amongst the older generations, but I'm not sure about any actual violent acts. Also there are very few Jews there, especially compared to France. Probably not that many muslims either, unlike France. Seems like the bigotry towards Jews there has a lot to do with lack of exposure to them as opposed to France.


You said towards any religious group. China really does not like its Tibetan Buddhists or Muslims. Also, any group that does not register with the government is forcefully eliminated. They also have outright banned religions, as well.

Author:  City of Fools [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:56 pm ]
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shakes wrote:


NOt quite.

If a country allows terrorism to flourish against a segment of its population for 10 years they lose the right to get upset when those terrorists (or similar terrorists working under similar ideology) up their game and start going after the entire population.

name another country besides France that falls under that umbrella.


nobody "loses their right to be upset" when an event like this happens. However, yes, France has done a poor job of enforcing police action.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:05 pm ]
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G.O.P. wrote:
Anti-Semite really means "Anti-Arab".

I'm not sure why or how this term was appropriated to refer to Jewish people only.

It doesn't mean "anti-Arab" and never has. It has always been used for Jewish people, even though the word would appear to denote being against all Semitic peoples. "Homophobia" doesn't literally mean fear of gay people, either.

Author:  Hatchetman [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:08 pm ]
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Merriam Webster? Yeah, those guys are good:

Definition of ANTI-SEMITISM


: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

— an·ti–Se·mit·ic \-sə-ˈmi-tik\ adjective

— an·ti–Sem·ite \-ˈse-ˌmīt\ noun

Author:  Hatchetman [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:17 pm ]
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Ok, but this is 2015. the meaning has been established for 133 years.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:22 pm ]
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Maybe "Semitic" was being used as a word meaning "of or relating to Jews," like "Hebrew" has been. "Antisemitism" means "Jew-hating" and that's that.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:28 pm ]
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:lol: :lol:

Yeah, no doubt that is Panther.

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