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Paterno vacates all wins from 1998-2011


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Dont forget the other biggies:

Players can transfer without penalty
Players can stay at Penn State, not play and stay on scholarship


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$60M fine

So there's where my raise went. I'm joking.

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Am I the only one here besides bigfan who thinks this was too light?

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Am I the only one here besides bigfan who thinks this was too light?


Curious Hair does as well.

People far smarter than I seem to think this will cripple the program for the next 15-20 years.

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Am I the only one here besides bigfan who thinks this was too light?


Curious Hair does as well.

People far smarter than I seem to think this will cripple the program for the next 15-20 years.


This was about as close as they could go to the death penalty without giving it. You will be down to 60 scholarship players as early as 2016 and won't get back to a full group of scholarship players until 2020 at the earliest. Plus, players could be running out the door as soon as today to head to new schools which will kill the program immediately.


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Bobby Bowden now has the most wins in College Football.

How crazy is this, the last quarterback to win for Penn State is Mike Mcqueary.


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Am I the only one here besides bigfan who thinks this was too light?
What do you predict will happen to Penn State over the next 10 years?

Also, if they got a 1 year death penalty, why would that prediction be any different?

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 Post subject: Re: Penn State Punished
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Here's my problem with this. I could see a program receiving similar penalties somewhere down the line for egregious recruiting violations or the like. This was far bigger and nastier than anything the NCAA has had to deal with. It makes selling gold pants seem like a fucking joke. But I understand the NCAA's need to "do something". It just seems kind of pointless to me.

If the idea of the punishment is to send a message that football shouldn't be an all-consuming overriding obsession on a college campus, might I suggest the very same punishment for many other programs? Or how about a rule that no college coach can earn a bigger salary than the highest tenured professor?

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Penn State should have to register as a sex offender. Then anytime they do anything they should have to include the disclaimer that they are registered as such.


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Here's my problem with this. I could see a program receiving similar penalties somewhere down the line for egregious recruiting violations or the like. This was far bigger and nastier than anything the NCAA has had to deal with. It makes selling gold pants seem like a fucking joke. But I understand the NCAA's need to "do something". It just seems kind of pointless to me.

If the idea of the punishment is to send a message that football shouldn't be an all-consuming overriding obsession on a college campus, might I suggest the very same punishment for many other programs? Or how about a rule that no college coach can earn a bigger salary than the highest tenured professor?

That's pretty much how I see it. I'm not even sure why this is only effecting the football program. The universit president and AD covered up repeated child rape. If that's not enough to earn the death penalty, then get rid of the death penalty. It should never, ever be considered again. For anything.

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If that's not enough to earn the death penalty, then get rid of the death penalty. It should never, ever be considered again. For anything.
While they won't formally ever announce such a thing, the "death penalty" will never be considered for anything again. It's not the correct way to punish. There are better ways that are more damaging than shutting them down for one year.

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I thought they would throw something in there that stated that from now on the football coach could no longer be one of the 10 highest paid employees by the University.

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I thought they would throw something in there that stated that from now on the football coach could no longer be one of the 10 highest paid employees by the University.

Why would that matter? All that would do would give 10 other people huge raises so Penn State could hire a football coach.

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Probably a bigger deal than the scholarship reduction is the relaxed transfer rules... that is why this penalty could be even worse than the death penalty.


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If that's not enough to earn the death penalty, then get rid of the death penalty. It should never, ever be considered again. For anything.
While they won't formally ever announce such a thing, the "death penalty" will never be considered for anything again. It's not the correct way to punish. There are better ways that are more damaging than shutting them down for one year.

Agreed Brick, and they got that done here.

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 Post subject: Re: Penn State Punished
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I thought they would throw something in there that stated that from now on the football coach could no longer be one of the 10 highest paid employees by the University.

Paterno was actually underpaid as a head coach by today's standards. He barely eclipsed 1M last year.

If you hold PSU to the standard, wouldn't you have to do it across the NCAA landscape?


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I thought they would throw something in there that stated that from now on the football coach could no longer be one of the 10 highest paid employees by the University.

Why would that matter? All that would do would give 10 other people huge raises so Penn State could hire a football coach.



dude, I'm just trying to come up with a way for Corey to get a raise.

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If that's not enough to earn the death penalty, then get rid of the death penalty. It should never, ever be considered again. For anything.
While they won't formally ever announce such a thing, the "death penalty" will never be considered for anything again. It's not the correct way to punish. There are better ways that are more damaging than shutting them down for one year.

Agreed Brick, and they got that done here.


Yes. Penn. St just had the hammer of god dropped on them. There football program is fucked, players can get the hell outta' Dodge or even just stay, not play and still get their scholarship money. Among other things as well.

PSU, like the Sunshine State Proposal, is totally fucked.


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I thought they would throw something in there that stated that from now on the football coach could no longer be one of the 10 highest paid employees by the University.

Why would that matter? All that would do would give 10 other people huge raises so Penn State could hire a football coach.



dude, I'm just trying to come up with a way for Corey to get a raise.

I will reluctantly accept any raise that puts me in the top 10 paid salary here.

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Will PSU pay for those that transfer as well or do they have to get on scholarship at the new school on their own?

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Will PSU pay for those that transfer as well or do they have to get on scholarship at the new school on their own?

My understanding is that anyone who transfers will not count on the new schools scholarship numbers which I believe assumes PSU will continue to pay for them. Can anyone confirm this?


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Adam Taliaferro, a former player for Paterno who has since recovered from a spinal cord injury he suffered in a 2000 game, expressed frustration in a post on Twitter.

"NCAA says games didn't exist," tweeted Taliaferro, who was elected to Penn State's board of directors in May. "I got the metal plate in my neck to prove it did..I almost died playing 4 PSU..punishment or healing?!? #WeAre" The penalties came a day after Penn State removed its Paterno statue outside Beaver Stadium, a decision that came 10 days after a scathing report by former FBI director Louis J. Freeh found that Paterno, with three other top Penn State administrators, had concealed allegations of child sexual abuse made against Sandusky.

First off, this Adam Taliaferro guy is a tool.

Secondly, I don't think this means those games didn't exist, it just means their opponents during that time frame will be credited with wins, right?

Third, his injury was god punishing Penn State.

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Adam Taliaferro, a former player for Paterno who has since recovered from a spinal cord injury he suffered in a 2000 game, expressed frustration in a post on Twitter.

"NCAA says games didn't exist," tweeted Taliaferro, who was elected to Penn State's board of directors in May. "I got the metal plate in my neck to prove it did..I almost died playing 4 PSU..punishment or healing?!? #WeAre" The penalties came a day after Penn State removed its Paterno statue outside Beaver Stadium, a decision that came 10 days after a scathing report by former FBI director Louis J. Freeh found that Paterno, with three other top Penn State administrators, had concealed allegations of child sexual abuse made against Sandusky.

First off, this Adam Taliaferro guy is a tool.

Secondly, I don't think this means those games didn't exist, it just means their opponents during that time frame will be credited with wins, right?

Third, his injury was god punishing Penn State.


With all of the Tweets and such it seems that today's show may be stuffed full of BernSTINE reading Tweets to the audience and yelling at us.


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Adam Taliaferro, a former player for Paterno who has since recovered from a spinal cord injury he suffered in a 2000 game, expressed frustration in a post on Twitter.

"NCAA says games didn't exist," tweeted Taliaferro, who was elected to Penn State's board of directors in May. "I got the metal plate in my neck to prove it did..I almost died playing 4 PSU..punishment or healing?!? #WeAre" The penalties came a day after Penn State removed its Paterno statue outside Beaver Stadium, a decision that came 10 days after a scathing report by former FBI director Louis J. Freeh found that Paterno, with three other top Penn State administrators, had concealed allegations of child sexual abuse made against Sandusky.

First off, this Adam Taliaferro guy is a tool.

Secondly, I don't think this means those games didn't exist, it just means their opponents during that time frame will be credited with wins, right?

Third, his injury was god punishing Penn State.


No, it means no one won those games. The wins were vacated.


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Adam Taliaferro, a former player for Paterno who has since recovered from a spinal cord injury he suffered in a 2000 game, expressed frustration in a post on Twitter.

"NCAA says games didn't exist," tweeted Taliaferro, who was elected to Penn State's board of directors in May. "I got the metal plate in my neck to prove it did..I almost died playing 4 PSU..punishment or healing?!? #WeAre" The penalties came a day after Penn State removed its Paterno statue outside Beaver Stadium, a decision that came 10 days after a scathing report by former FBI director Louis J. Freeh found that Paterno, with three other top Penn State administrators, had concealed allegations of child sexual abuse made against Sandusky.

First off, this Adam Taliaferro guy is a tool.

Secondly, I don't think this means those games didn't exist, it just means their opponents during that time frame will be credited with wins, right?

Third, his injury was god punishing Penn State.


No, it means no one won those games. The wins were vacated.

Why not just award the teams they faced?

So, all of their opponents stats are taken away because of actions of a different school. that does not seem fair. What if someone from Michigan holds a record for receiving yards? Are all his stats from games against Penn State now gone? What if doing that takes away a record and now awards it to somebody else?

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If that's not enough to earn the death penalty, then get rid of the death penalty. It should never, ever be considered again. For anything.
While they won't formally ever announce such a thing, the "death penalty" will never be considered for anything again. It's not the correct way to punish. There are better ways that are more damaging than shutting them down for one year.

I just want to make sure you realize this is an opinion. You've repeated it as fact with no evidence several times. The only school that ever received a death penalty took 25 years to recover, if they even fully have.

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I just want to make sure you realize this is an opinion. You've repeated it as fact with no evidence several times. The only school that ever received a death penalty took 25 years to recover, if they even fully have.
No evidence? They didn't give Penn State the death penalty! They didn't give it to Baylor. You think they are going to give it Auburn or Ohio State for paying players after not giving it to those schools?

The evidence is pretty clear that the death penalty like what happened at SMU will never happen again.

Also, you can stop with the whole opinion thing. It's stupid.

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I just want to make sure you realize this is an opinion. You've repeated it as fact with no evidence several times. The only school that ever received a death penalty took 25 years to recover, if they even fully have.
No evidence? They didn't give Penn State the death penalty! They didn't give it to Baylor. You think they are going to give it Auburn or Ohio State for paying players after not giving it to those schools?

The evidence is pretty clear that the death penalty like what happened at SMU will never happen again.

Also, you can stop with the whole opinion thing. It's stupid.

What are you even arguing here? Can you clean that up a little and translate?

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