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I don't really understand the need to pick on NU here. They competed well and made Braxton Miller look so bad they contemplated putting in the backup. While i agree that Fitzgerald may not necessarily be all that he is cracked up to be he does have the program competitive year after year. Besides, its been Ohio State and everyone else for a while now in the Big Ten and may continue to be that way with Urban Meyer at the helm . No one is contesting the fact that Ohio State is going to beat everyone until their game against Michigan, and i think they even win that.


I couldn't agree more. No one thinks anyone else is gonna win the B1G except dOSU, so for the Cats to hang with them for 3 1/2 quarters, I'm pretty pleased. As a college football fan, that was an amazing game. Close... lots of lead changes... a couple controversial moments... and a few interesting story lines.

No one is picking on Northwestern. They are curious as to why a program that has been on the upper-half of the Big Ten keep choking away big games and their fans are OK with it.


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No one is picking on Northwestern. They are curious as to why a program that has been on the upper-half of the Big Ten keep choking away big games and their fans are OK with it.


Idiotic post. Do you really think anyone in their right mind should be pissed at the program for playing the #3 team in the country tight? Fucking idiotic.... yeah, let's call for PF's head now.


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No one is picking on Northwestern. They are curious as to why a program that has been on the upper-half of the Big Ten keep choking away big games and their fans are OK with it.


Idiotic post. Do you really think anyone in their right mind should be pissed at the program for playing the #3 team in the country tight? Fucking idiotic.... yeah, let's call for PF's head now.

This is the fire and passion you should be directing at the Wildcats for blowing 4th quarter leads. Also, the Buckeyes are #3 based off their preseason ranking. They've hardly played like a top-10 team let alone top 5.


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What's being lost in this macro discussion is the micro that an experienced and offensively talented NU team blew a 10 point lead in 4Q at home and the fans give them a pat on the back for just showing up.

Carlos Hyde was getting 6 yards per carry... didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that the Cats were gonna have to put more points on the board. OSU's defense showed up when it had to.

Just showing up? I think they did more than that. The pat on the back is basically an expectations thing. I can only speak to my thoughts... I thought NU was gonna get ass raped on national TV. The line was 7... and without that stupid TD at the end, NU beat the spread. Everyone I knew that either bets or is in a college pick'em was giving the points on that game.


line dropped precipitously before kickoff down to 6 from 7.5 meaning that those who do this professionally were taking the cats

NU offense moved the ball at will on OSU. They competed helmet on helmet without any trickery.

The "expectations thing" is the problem. You have a good team laden with returning starter upperclassmen. This is a team that has everything you need to match anyone offensively with some great players at the skill positions. They were a legit #16 in the country. Yet Coach Go Cats is being praised for almost covering the line.

Instead of fans being angry with Fitzgerald for underwhelming in pretty much every game this year they are just appreciating that he doesn't lose to bad teams.

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Kirkwood wrote:
My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
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I don't really understand the need to pick on NU here. They competed well and made Braxton Miller look so bad they contemplated putting in the backup. While i agree that Fitzgerald may not necessarily be all that he is cracked up to be he does have the program competitive year after year. Besides, its been Ohio State and everyone else for a while now in the Big Ten and may continue to be that way with Urban Meyer at the helm . No one is contesting the fact that Ohio State is going to beat everyone until their game against Michigan, and i think they even win that.


I couldn't agree more. No one thinks anyone else is gonna win the B1G except dOSU, so for the Cats to hang with them for 3 1/2 quarters, I'm pretty pleased. As a college football fan, that was an amazing game. Close... lots of lead changes... a couple controversial moments... and a few interesting story lines.

No one is picking on Northwestern. They are curious as to why a program that has been on the upper-half of the Big Ten keep choking away big games and their fans are OK with it.


I can't think of one lineman on NU Saturday night that I would choose before those of OSU.

NU hung in there against a team that was infinitely more talented at almost every position.

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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
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I don't really understand the need to pick on NU here. They competed well and made Braxton Miller look so bad they contemplated putting in the backup. While i agree that Fitzgerald may not necessarily be all that he is cracked up to be he does have the program competitive year after year. Besides, its been Ohio State and everyone else for a while now in the Big Ten and may continue to be that way with Urban Meyer at the helm . No one is contesting the fact that Ohio State is going to beat everyone until their game against Michigan, and i think they even win that.


I couldn't agree more. No one thinks anyone else is gonna win the B1G except dOSU, so for the Cats to hang with them for 3 1/2 quarters, I'm pretty pleased. As a college football fan, that was an amazing game. Close... lots of lead changes... a couple controversial moments... and a few interesting story lines.

No one is picking on Northwestern. They are curious as to why a program that has been on the upper-half of the Big Ten keep choking away big games and their fans are OK with it.


I can't think of one lineman on NU Saturday night that I would choose before those of OSU.

NU hung in there against a team that was infinitely more talented at almost every position.


Cats have at least two backs who will be playing the NFL and possibly more depending on development. They go five deep at the position. Their WR looked fantastic against what is considered a top NFL prospect at CB.

Their defense is lacking but they can play on offense.

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They dont have the bigger stronger guys. Also, I know Fitz is always begging for a new training facility.

I can only guess that the training facility isnt even close to that of Mich, OSU, Nebraska, Etc.

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They dont have the bigger stronger guys. Also, I know Fitz is always begging for a new training facility.

I can only guess that the training facility isnt even close to that of Mich, OSU, Nebraska, Etc.


I suppose NU would recruit better if they had the finest training facilities in the country.

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Maybe the Grecian Formula benefactor should throw some bucks toward a weight set or two instead of sticking his name on a VP title.

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They dont have the bigger stronger guys. Also, I know Fitz is always begging for a new training facility.

I can only guess that the training facility isnt even close to that of Mich, OSU, Nebraska, Etc.

They had 4th quarter leads against all 3 of those "giants" in the past year. I think the list of excuses is becoming longer than White Sox attendance.


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Why don't people appreciate how good Northwestern's concession stands are? Are they afraid of all the Scary Blacks in Evanston? Come on! Jason moved years ago!

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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
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I don't really understand the need to pick on NU here. They competed well and made Braxton Miller look so bad they contemplated putting in the backup. While i agree that Fitzgerald may not necessarily be all that he is cracked up to be he does have the program competitive year after year. Besides, its been Ohio State and everyone else for a while now in the Big Ten and may continue to be that way with Urban Meyer at the helm . No one is contesting the fact that Ohio State is going to beat everyone until their game against Michigan, and i think they even win that.


I couldn't agree more. No one thinks anyone else is gonna win the B1G except dOSU, so for the Cats to hang with them for 3 1/2 quarters, I'm pretty pleased. As a college football fan, that was an amazing game. Close... lots of lead changes... a couple controversial moments... and a few interesting story lines.

No one is picking on Northwestern. They are curious as to why a program that has been on the upper-half of the Big Ten keep choking away big games and their fans are OK with it.


I can't think of one lineman on NU Saturday night that I would choose before those of OSU.

NU hung in there against a team that was infinitely more talented at almost every position.


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Cats have at least two backs who will be playing the NFL and possibly more depending on development. They go five deep at the position. Their WR looked fantastic against what is considered a top NFL prospect at CB.

Their defense is lacking but they can play on offense.


As the game wore on, the deficiencies of their offensive line were painfully apparent. And they were playing a second string left tackle in the 4th quarter that was being used like a tackling dummy.

They have one back that will be a situational player at best at the NFL level and that is Mark.

And the OSU running back was bigger than every linebacker NU had and at least one DL also.

Could they have one the game? Absolutely. But the far superior team talent wise won in the end. NU's coaches are why they were still in it late.

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I guess the thing I'm perplexed about is why you think anyone should be mad after that loss? It was a great game by two great teams. A couple different calls and we wouldn't even be having this discussion. We should be mad that the program is competing at a high level? I'm confused.

I'm going out on a limb that if you asked the same question to an Alabama fan, they may have a different answer. But it doesn't mean its a good answer. They (like many fans) have a warped sense of reality.


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Do you think they should have won that game as it was played, MUD?

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They dont have the bigger stronger guys. Also, I know Fitz is always begging for a new training facility.

I can only guess that the training facility isnt even close to that of Mich, OSU, Nebraska, Etc.


I'm assuming that one of the giant buildings going up on campus is a new training facility. I would also guess that football practice might push something else off the field on the lakefront.

I thought NU and Ohio State were pretty evenly matched on Saturday night. One more bad series from Miller and the Cats likely would have put the best QB in the Big Ten on the bench. Meyer had the other guy warming up. Maybe that was just a warning to Miller to get his head in the game. If so, it seemed to work. But that game could have easily gone the other way.

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Miller is not the best QB in the Big Ten.

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It seems pretty simple

Mud is happy with NW being the little engine that (sometimes) could


A lot of us think NW can be better than that

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Miller is not the best QB in the Big Ten.


Who do you think is?

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I can't think of one lineman on NU Saturday night that I would choose before those of OSU.

NU hung in there against a team that was infinitely more talented at almost every position.


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Cats have at least two backs who will be playing the NFL and possibly more depending on development. They go five deep at the position. Their WR looked fantastic against what is considered a top NFL prospect at CB.

Their defense is lacking but they can play on offense.


As the game wore on, the deficiencies of their offensive line were painfully apparent. And they were playing a second string left tackle in the 4th quarter that was being used like a tackling dummy.

They have one back that will be a situational player at best at the NFL level and that is Mark.

And the OSU running back was bigger than every linebacker NU had and at least one DL also.

Could they have one the game? Absolutely. But the far superior team talent wise won in the end. NU's coaches are why they were still in it late.[/quote]

Your assessment of the talent is incorrect. Mark was an All American last year. I suspect he will get drafted in the 3-4 round and be in the league for a decade doing the type of things currently done by Sproles, Bush, Woodhead, etc. with the addition of being a great kick returner. If you were to ask me who will have a more distinguished NFL career I would say Mark would be superior to Hyde.

Colter should go by the end of round 5 and be a guy who develops as a niche offensive weapon

Christian Jones at 6-3, 225 and Tony Jones will both undoubtedly get a shot in the pros.

I would not be surprised to see Vitale bulk up a bit and be a pro fullback

that does not include talented but not pro level upperclassmen Vitale and Green

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good dolphin wrote:
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I can't think of one lineman on NU Saturday night that I would choose before those of OSU.

NU hung in there against a team that was infinitely more talented at almost every position.


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Cats have at least two backs who will be playing the NFL and possibly more depending on development. They go five deep at the position. Their WR looked fantastic against what is considered a top NFL prospect at CB.

Their defense is lacking but they can play on offense.


As the game wore on, the deficiencies of their offensive line were painfully apparent. And they were playing a second string left tackle in the 4th quarter that was being used like a tackling dummy.

They have one back that will be a situational player at best at the NFL level and that is Mark.

And the OSU running back was bigger than every linebacker NU had and at least one DL also.

Could they have one the game? Absolutely. But the far superior team talent wise won in the end. NU's coaches are why they were still in it late.


Your assessment of the talent is incorrect. Mark was an All American last year. I suspect he will get drafted in the 3-4 round and be in the league for a decade doing the type of things currently done by Sproles, Bush, Woodhead, etc. with the addition of being a great kick returner. If you were to ask me who will have a more distinguished NFL career I would say Mark would be superior to Hyde.

Colter should go by the end of round 5 and be a guy who develops as a niche offensive weapon

Christian Jones at 6-3, 225 and Tony Jones will both undoubtedly get a shot in the pros.

I would not be surprised to see Vitale bulk up a bit and be a pro fullback

that does not include talented but not pro level upperclassmen Vitale and Green[/quote]

Time will tell, but Pat Sullivan and Tim Tebow were All-Americans and won the Heisman also. And Mark weighs 175 pounds. Not anywhere near every down back status in the NFL.

Last time I checked, most football games were won at the line of scrimmage. OSU has far superior lineman to what NU has. NU's game planning and Miller's off night were the reasons NU was even in it at the end.

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RPB, I find it a little amusing that you take my satisfaction with how THIS team played on Saturday with complacency about the program. Did you expect a National Championship for the Cats this year? A BCS game? Or even a B1G title?


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Northwestern is a Big Boy Team that deserves our respect, until they lose, in which case the other team was a juggernaut and we should all be happy that Cats even showed up. No wonder Bernstein shills for them.

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Northwestern is a Big Boy Team that deserves our respect, until they lose, in which case the other team was a juggernaut


You may be confusing them with NIU.

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They dont have the bigger stronger guys. Also, I know Fitz is always begging for a new training facility.

I can only guess that the training facility isnt even close to that of Mich, OSU, Nebraska, Etc.


I suppose NU would recruit better if they had the finest training facilities in the country.


The guy who basically runs/owns NU, Pat Ryan, is coughing up a ton of cash to build a new $250-300 million practice facility on the lakefront adjacent to the Henry Crown Sports Pavilion. By my calculation, Ryan has given at least a couple hundred million to NU in the past decade: the hundred million dollar nanotechnology building is named after him, which means he gave at least 50 million for it; he's already on the hook for 25 million for the huge new music building on south campus, and he's likely going to have to give more for that since fundraising for that venue is going very poorly; he donated at least 25 million to refurbish Dyche Stadium and rename it Ryan Field; and he's made less flashy but still substantial gifts for just about every other building that has gone up recently or will be constructed on the NU campus (Pancoe, Silverman, the new Kellogg facility, etc). The previous NU president, Henry Bienen, was a sharp guy who capitalized on Ryan's enthusiasm and generosity by directing his funds to projects that would substantially enhance the school's reputation/ranking in key areas, particularly the life and physical sciences. The new president, Morty Schapiro, is a facile douchebag who was essentially hired by Ryan to boost the standing of the athletic program, but particularly football--since Ryan himself played in Evanston during his college days. Fitzgerald has indeed been bitching about substandard facilities since he got the job at NU. It will be interesting to see what that tool bitches about once he gets his building and the Wildcats remain a second-tier team in the Big 10. Ryan may just boot him and Schapiro out the door. And a lot of faculty members and high-ranking administrators at the school will be laughing should such a scenario materialize.

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Your perspective is way off, in my opinion. The previous administrations gave two shits about athletics. Now the fact that Morty cares some, you think that's all he cares for. And if you actually look at the Ryan's giving, they care about academics as well.

And for your idiotic comments about "what Pat will complain about next"... you should be very aware that he has been very good about keeping his frustrations about the facilities out of the media. I task you to find a quote complaining about facilities where he's ranting and raving. I hate to break it to you, but that's part of his job to build up the program. And these facilities, while nice, will still pale in comparisons to the conference. Keep in mind that Ryan Field won't get any attention for several years at the earliest. Pat has plenty of reasons to complain, but yet he doesn't.

I'm not sure what you have against the school, but from my perspective, the school is playing much needed catch up. If they didn't, then they should have just shut the program down.


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