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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.


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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.

Well apparently people love it because people are watching like crazy.

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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.


That Ohio State v. Oregon game would have been hugely consequential last year, now it just changed playoff seeding. Catch the excitement!


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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.


That Ohio State v. Oregon game would have been hugely consequential last year, now it just changed playoff seeding. Catch the excitement!

Last year Alabama lost a regular season game to Texas and both ended up in the playoff.

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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.

If Alabama had lost either of those games it would have put them in a tough spot to be in the top 11 and make the playoffs.

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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.


That Ohio State v. Oregon game would have been hugely consequential last year, now it just changed playoff seeding. Catch the excitement!
A 1 loss OSU team was making the playoffs in any year of the 4 team playoff. They've been anointed the best team in college football. Alabama got in plenty of times with 1 loss for the same reason.

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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.


That Ohio State v. Oregon game would have been hugely consequential last year, now it just changed playoff seeding. Catch the excitement!
A 1 loss OSU team was making the playoffs in any year of the 4 team playoff. They've been anointed the best team in college football. Alabama got in plenty of times with 1 loss for the same reason.



Except in 2018 when a 1 loss Ohio State team didn’t make the 4 team playoff…


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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.


That Ohio State v. Oregon game would have been hugely consequential last year, now it just changed playoff seeding. Catch the excitement!
A 1 loss OSU team was making the playoffs in any year of the 4 team playoff. They've been anointed the best team in college football. Alabama got in plenty of times with 1 loss for the same reason.



Except in 2018 when a 1 loss Ohio State team didn’t make the 4 team playoff…
OSU wasn't considered the best team in the country that year. Also, OSU lost by 29 to a 6-6 Purdue team for that one loss.

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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.

If Alabama had lost either of those games it would have put them in a tough spot to be in the top 11 and make the playoffs.



You’re missing the point, Alabama would be in a tough spot RIGHT NOW because of the Vandy loss in a four team playoff. Expanded playoffs just gives teams one mulligan.

We’re been over this before, the more teams that make a postseason the less valuable your regular season is. None of the Purdue regular season basketball games last year mattered. You might have cared about the outcome, but none of the outcomes mattered.

Like are you in favor of a 24 team college football playoff? Seems like this would make the regular season more important based on your logic.


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Brick wrote:
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Brick wrote:
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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.


That Ohio State v. Oregon game would have been hugely consequential last year, now it just changed playoff seeding. Catch the excitement!
A 1 loss OSU team was making the playoffs in any year of the 4 team playoff. They've been anointed the best team in college football. Alabama got in plenty of times with 1 loss for the same reason.



Except in 2018 when a 1 loss Ohio State team didn’t make the 4 team playoff…
OSU wasn't considered the best team in the country that year. Also, OSU lost by 29 to a 6-6 Purdue team for that one loss.



That’s not what you said “ANY year of the playoffs”.

Sorry the facts don’t comport with your bullshit.


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You’re missing the point, Alabama would be in a tough spot RIGHT NOW because of the Vandy loss in a four team playoff. Expanded playoffs just gives teams one mulligan.
So what? The projections haven't come out yet but as of last week Alabama was not projected to be in the top 11, and I think a slight win this week isn't going to change that much. Every game matters for them this season. They have a larger margin of error but they likely still need to win out to at least the SEC title game to make the playoffs and even then they may be traveling to a hostile stadium.

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We’re been over this before, the more teams that make a postseason the less valuable your regular season is. None of the Purdue regular season basketball games last year mattered. You might have cared about the outcome, but none of the outcomes mattered.
This is wrong and stupid. Purdue was better than every other team in the country besides one. They played that team in the national title. Without the regular season where they were determined to be the third best team in the country they could have played UCONN in the Elite Eight and the entire season is completely different. Illinois, had they swept Purdue last season instead of getting swept, may very well have been in the Final Four or national title game instead. If Purdue doesn't win the Maui Invitational they may have lost out on the Indy-Detroit geographic advantage. The regular season by Purdue last season had a direct impact on how March Madness went.

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Like are you in favor of a 24 team college football playoff? Seems like this would make the regular season more important based on your logic.
I'd consider it if they got rid of the conference championship games which end up being a pseudo-first round CFP anyways but also flawed given the disparity in opponents and Notre Dame not playing in one. 12 teams is probably better though.

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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.


That Ohio State v. Oregon game would have been hugely consequential last year, now it just changed playoff seeding. Catch the excitement!

Last year Alabama lost a regular season game to Texas and both ended up in the playoff.


That was kind of an unusual situation, wasn't it? In order for that to happen, the committee squeezed out an undefeated team from a major conference with an excellent football pedigree.


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That’s not what you said “ANY year of the playoffs”.

Sorry the facts don’t comport with your bullshit.

Read it again. "A 1 loss OSU team was making the playoffs in any year of the 4 team playoff. They've been anointed the best team in college football. Alabama got in plenty of times with 1 loss for the same reason."

OSU, with one loss on the road at top 5(or better) Oregon by one point is getting in to the CFP every year in a 4 team system. You must have read it that any one loss team is making the CFP with 4 teams without realizing that certain teams, especially with a close loss against a similarly elite opponent, always ended up in the playoffs anyways. The CFP is filled with one loss teams and OSU would have the best loss of any team in the running.

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You’re missing the point, Alabama would be in a tough spot RIGHT NOW because of the Vandy loss in a four team playoff. Expanded playoffs just gives teams one mulligan.
So what? The projections haven't come out yet but as of last week Alabama was not projected to be in the top 11, and I think a slight win this week isn't going to change that much. Every game matters for them this season. They have a larger margin of error but they likely still need to win out to at least the SEC title game to make the playoffs and even then they may be traveling to a hostile stadium.

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We’re been over this before, the more teams that make a postseason the less valuable your regular season is. None of the Purdue regular season basketball games last year mattered. You might have cared about the outcome, but none of the outcomes mattered.
This is wrong and stupid. Purdue was better than every other team in the country besides one. They played that team in the national title. Without the regular season where they were determined to be the third best team in the country they could have played UCONN in the Elite Eight and the entire season is completely different. Illinois, had they swept Purdue last season instead of getting swept, may very well have been in the Final Four or national title game instead. If Purdue doesn't win the Maui Invitational they may have lost out on the Indy-Detroit geographic advantage. The regular season by Purdue last season had a direct impact on how March Madness went.

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Like are you in favor of a 24 team college football playoff? Seems like this would make the regular season more important based on your logic.
I'd consider it if they got rid of the conference championship games which end up being a pseudo-first round CFP anyways but also flawed given the disparity in opponents and Notre Dame not playing in one. 12 teams is probably better though.


There is going to be some team that finishes the regular season ranked fifth. Under the old system, that team is out of the playoffs. Under the new system, they're not only in the playoffs, but probably have a favorable seeding. The one or two losses that pushed that team to 5 were hugely important under the old system. Under the new system, they're relatively inconsequential. What is wrong with the logic in this statement?


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That’s not what you said “ANY year of the playoffs”.

Sorry the facts don’t comport with your bullshit.

Read it again. "A 1 loss OSU team was making the playoffs in any year of the 4 team playoff. They've been anointed the best team in college football. Alabama got in plenty of times with 1 loss for the same reason."

OSU, with one loss on the road at top 5(or better) Oregon by one point is getting in to the CFP every year in a 4 team system. You must have read it that any one loss team is making the CFP with 4 teams without realizing that certain teams, especially with a close loss against a similarly elite opponent, always ended up in the playoffs anyways. The CFP is filled with one loss teams and OSU would have the best loss of any team in the running.



Why is the best team in college football ranked #2? Strange…


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There is going to be some team that finishes the regular season ranked fifth. Under the old system, that team is out of the playoffs. Under the new system, they're not only in the playoffs, but probably have a favorable seeding. The one or two losses that pushed that team to 5 were hugely important under the old system. Under the new system, they're relatively inconsequential. What is wrong with the logic in this statement?

The argument isn't if more teams will make the playoffs or not. It's the importance of the regular season being gone because it's now a 12 team(well, pretty much 11 teams in what we are discussing) playoff.

A P4 team that goes 11-1 is making the CFP this year. They would have had roughly a 75% chance in the 4 team playoff era. Now, it will be 100%. If they win their conference title game, they get a bye in the first round. But, as pointed out time and time again and ignored, 13-0 FSU didn't make the playoff last year which is a much bigger deal than the fact that a 11-1 team is now a lock to at least play a playoff game rather than only a 75% chance of playing a playoff game.

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You’re missing the point, Alabama would be in a tough spot RIGHT NOW because of the Vandy loss in a four team playoff. Expanded playoffs just gives teams one mulligan.
So what? The projections haven't come out yet but as of last week Alabama was not projected to be in the top 11, and I think a slight win this week isn't going to change that much. Every game matters for them this season. They have a larger margin of error but they likely still need to win out to at least the SEC title game to make the playoffs and even then they may be traveling to a hostile stadium.

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We’re been over this before, the more teams that make a postseason the less valuable your regular season is. None of the Purdue regular season basketball games last year mattered. You might have cared about the outcome, but none of the outcomes mattered.
This is wrong and stupid. Purdue was better than every other team in the country besides one. They played that team in the national title. Without the regular season where they were determined to be the third best team in the country they could have played UCONN in the Elite Eight and the entire season is completely different. Illinois, had they swept Purdue last season instead of getting swept, may very well have been in the Final Four or national title game instead. If Purdue doesn't win the Maui Invitational they may have lost out on the Indy-Detroit geographic advantage. The regular season by Purdue last season had a direct impact on how March Madness went.

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Like are you in favor of a 24 team college football playoff? Seems like this would make the regular season more important based on your logic.
I'd consider it if they got rid of the conference championship games which end up being a pseudo-first round CFP anyways but also flawed given the disparity in opponents and Notre Dame not playing in one. 12 teams is probably better though.



How the did regular season impact Purdue Basketball’s run in the 2023 NCAA basketball tournament?


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How the did regular season impact Purdue Basketball’s run in the 2023 NCAA basketball tournament?
That's pretty funny.

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How the did regular season impact Purdue Basketball’s run in the 2023 NCAA basketball tournament?
That's pretty funny.



No it’s a serious question. How was the Purdue regular season important in any way if their loss to the 250th best team in college basketball ended their chance at a national title?


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How the did regular season impact Purdue Basketball’s run in the 2023 NCAA basketball tournament?
That's pretty funny.



No it’s a serious question. How was the Purdue regular season important in any way if their loss to the 250th best team in college basketball ended their chance at a national title?

Oh, you weren't joking. I'm not going to explain why getting a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament is a highly valuable thing even if you lose in the first round.

This may be controversial but I hope Purdue gets a 1 seed every year in the NCAA tournament.

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How the did regular season impact Purdue Basketball’s run in the 2023 NCAA basketball tournament?
That's pretty funny.



No it’s a serious question. How was the Purdue regular season important in any way if their loss to the 250th best team in college basketball ended their chance at a national title?

Oh, you weren't joking. I'm not going to explain why getting a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament is a highly valuable thing even if you lose in the first round.

This may be controversial but I hope Purdue gets a 1 seed every year in the NCAA tournament.



The question isn’t if the number one seed is valuable. I didn’t ask that question.

Let’s try this, how valuable is the regular season if the best team and the 250th best team have the same opportunity to win the national championship?


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The question isn’t if the number one seed is valuable. I didn’t ask that question.
That literally is the discussion.

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Let’s try this, how valuable is the regular season if the best team and the 250th best team have the same opportunity to win the national championship?
Are you saying being a 16 seed and a 1 seed has the same value?

It seems like you are just throwing anything at the wall and seeing what sticks.

But hey, playoff seeding doesn't matter is an interesting argument to make.

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The question isn’t if the number one seed is valuable. I didn’t ask that question.
That literally is the discussion.

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Let’s try this, how valuable is the regular season if the best team and the 250th best team have the same opportunity to win the national championship?
Are you saying being a 16 seed and a 1 seed has the same value?

It seems like you are just throwing anything at the wall and seeing what sticks.

But hey, playoff seeding doesn't matter is an interesting argument to make.


How valuable is the regular season if the best team and 250th best team have the same opportunity to win the national championship?


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Again, make the "playoff seeding doesn't matter" argument all you want but I'm not going to waste time on it any more.

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There is going to be some team that finishes the regular season ranked fifth. Under the old system, that team is out of the playoffs. Under the new system, they're not only in the playoffs, but probably have a favorable seeding. The one or two losses that pushed that team to 5 were hugely important under the old system. Under the new system, they're relatively inconsequential. What is wrong with the logic in this statement?

The argument isn't if more teams will make the playoffs or not. It's the importance of the regular season being gone because it's now a 12 team(well, pretty much 11 teams in what we are discussing) playoff.

A P4 team that goes 11-1 is making the CFP this year. They would have had roughly a 75% chance in the 4 team playoff era. Now, it will be 100%. If they win their conference title game, they get a bye in the first round. But, as pointed out time and time again and ignored, 13-0 FSU didn't make the playoff last year which is a much bigger deal than the fact that a 11-1 team is now a lock to at least play a playoff game rather than only a 75% chance of playing a playoff game.


If you admit that a one loss team's chances of making the playoffs have increased from 75% to 100%, then you're admitting that the regular season has been, at least somewhat, diminished. Also, from where are you getting the 75% number?


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Again, make the "playoff seeding doesn't matter" argument all you want but I'm not going to waste time on it any more.


That is the whole point, expanded playoffs took the regular season from a death battle to make the playoffs to a seeding battle. This shows a diminished importance. That was Newson’s point earlier.

Again, how valuable is a regular season if the best team and the 250th best team have the same opportunity to win the national title?

Why won’t you answer the question?


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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.


That Ohio State v. Oregon game would have been hugely consequential last year, now it just changed playoff seeding. Catch the excitement!

Last year Alabama lost a regular season game to Texas and both ended up in the playoff.


That was kind of an unusual situation, wasn't it? In order for that to happen, the committee squeezed out an undefeated team from a major conference with an excellent football pedigree.

It was, but unusual situations seemed to be usual in the 4 team era. One loss teams got in; teams with better records were ignored.

Last year, the committee nuked the idea that regular season was the most important factor in the selection process.

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