Hanley & Meller had the writer who wrote the story in the NW paper and talked to the accuser. I think Fitzgerald is done at NW and probably as a HC at big-time colleges.

Score talk will be utter trash and to be avoided.

Espn 1000 could be interesting with ex player host's hazing stories.

Yeah. Fitz will absolutely be fired.

Bernstein is salivating to get to a mic. Larry will play his usual part.

Bernstein: Raping. Children. Is. Wrong.

Larry: That’s right, Dan.

Why is Bernstein repressing the gay football lifestyle?

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

Here's my take on hazing. What is referred to as "hazing" encompasses a lot of territory. Like Franky T mentioned, it could be carrying equipment or running stairs. It could also be shoving twigs up someone's asshole. Is it impossible for us to draw the line and differentiate a right of passage as a prerequisite for membership in a group and an assault?

But we've gotten to a point where hazing of any kind is forbidden. It's just another step in the feminization of the Western World. We're desperately trying to force boys to interact with each other the way girls do.

You can see the results already. Women/girls aren't less vicious than men/boys. The viciousness simply manifests in different ways. We've feminized the culture to a point where the very statement I am making here is "Violence", "harmful", or perhaps even an "assault", while my "cancellation" for making said statement is just and appropriate.

That's feminization. Rather than standing in front of someone and cracking them in the mouth, the approved remedy is to form a micromob on social media to ostracize the person.

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Hazing is feminine according to your rules. It's bending someone's will to the collective(team).

I never got hazing. It's seems a football/wrestling thing. A wrestling thing for sure. A bunch of towel snapping crotch sniffers.

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If this same thing had happened in a high school classroom you would be calling the teacher a "groomer" and you would want the teacher arrested.

Groups will still find a way to form even without coordinated dry humping and naked center-quarterback exchanges even if the only way to remove them is to also make people carry their own bags as seniors.

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I don't endorse dry humping.

But trying to compare what a bunch of D1 football players do on their own to a blue-haired teacher explaining sodomy to 6 year olds is quite a stretch.

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I said high school and not 6 year olds though obviously it would be just as valid to say it for 6 year olds.

The point is they weren't doing it on their own. The coaches were in on it or at least knew about it.

Aren't you arguing that what happened at Northwestern was more of a right of passage hazing ritual rather than assault? If so, you do seem to be condoning the dry humping of a freshman based on a poor on field performance.

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I think the fact D1 football exists is a far bigger scandal than the idiotic hijinks of a bunch of 18-22 year olds.

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Nixon thought the Bohemian grove hijinks were "the most faggy god damned thing you could ever imagine"

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I'm going to go ahead and suggest that group humiliation of "lesser" group members is not essential to positive group dynamics or formation of a group identity. In fact, I'd say it's just the opposite. The real goal of hazing is to confirm and validate hierarchies. In this respect, I suppose it is somewhat effective (though often not without significant cost). Hazing is one of the primary building blocks for a broader and moderately more sophisticated culture of neoliberalism.

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I may have to rethink whether I want Pat Fitzgerald fired now.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Frat bros are presented as a white guy thing, but there is a very strong black greek system that remains virtually silent about its hazing. I don't know if that has changed with the times but I was told it was physically brutal. Maybe Wayne Style could conjure up Big Brother X-Ray to give us some insight.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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Hazing comes naturally to people who are assholes, and they will find a way to make it rough on the new person throughout life.

A little light hearted fun can make a new person feel like part of the group, like having to put on an embarassing skit or tell a secret about yourself. But the assholes will always take it to a bad place.

like I've written in the past, you have to legislate to the worst person in the room.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

With you until the last line. We have to allow for the good guys to self police. Otherwise, the stifling authoritarianism gets the job. And that ends up worse.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

True. But I might argue that hierarchies are necessary. Or, I guess you can have anarchy. Though that doesn't seem like a good way to win football games.

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That's why you have a coach making millions of dollars who can kick a kid off the team for simply not being good enough.

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On athletic teams, hierarchies can be established quite easily through competition. I've been on plenty of teams where this was the case and nobody was required to carry around oreos in their butt cheeks or have some repressed fruit try to play tummy sticks with them. Imagine that.

Player-initiated hazing is often an attempt to discourage competition by establishing a status-based rather than merit-based hierarchy. It is a tool of the weak, not the strong.

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How many N'Western players have heart issues?

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I'd pick Delta house over Omega every time. That is something I couldn't understand in the narrative of Animal House from the first time I watched it as a kid.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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I wouldn't argue with that. Bear fans should recognize a good example in the hazing of the excellent Doug Flutie for the benefit of the mediocre Mike Tomczak.

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Animal House anticipated the rise of Reaganist pop culture via its attempt to aesthetically contain the radicalism of "the 60s" by defining the era in terms of radical hedonism rather than opposition to various expressions of the status quo. This project was later taken up, extended, and revised most famously by John Hughes in his teen romantic comedies, particularly The Breakfast Club and Ferris Bueller. Risky Business, though not a Hughes film, is also an excellent example of this undertaking. From this perspective, Say Anything, the last "great" 80s teen romantic comedy, can also be understood as a critique of the Reaganist aesthetic that informs the subgenre.

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So just reading thru the ESPN article on this, we have 1 dude that is making all of these accusations with no other support and he had told dude he was going to get him. Something doesn't smell right.

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Once the smell of money hits the nostrils, they'll come out of the woodwork. That's the problem with rushing to judgement.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

Even as a certified SJW I don't find it credible enough to get worked up over yet. I'm sure it's possible, and if more comes out great (well not great for the dry humpees), but whatever. This wouldn't have happened if they were allowed to unionize!

Outrage over locker room dry-humping is justified because that doesn't entertain Brick and bernstein the way concussions, paralyzations, and sudden deaths on Saturday afternoons do.

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Nice to see you're using fictional events in attempt to bolster your inane takes in the sports sections now as well.

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I did have two dancers come up to me from behind and spank me really hard. I never saw it coming, and they were surprised my ass is rock hard. I called management and had them call the police to have the girls escorted off the property and arrested.

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

How many horses died at the Kentucky Derby this year?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I don't even want to tell you what was done for rugby teams

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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