It is currently Thu Apr 10, 2025 12:26 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 45 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:32 pm
Posts: 11750
pizza_Place: ***
My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
I don't think any scholarship is guaranteed 4 year (is that what you were suggesting in the last comment?). I thought each year they run the risk of the scholarship being revoked.

I think they just gave teams the option to offer four year scholarships and most of them, at least in the Big Ten, are going to do so.

As for transfers, I would be fairly absolutist about the one year rule, except for 1.) Penn State situations, and 2.) the grad school exception, which I don't like at all but you have to keep for academic fig leaf reasons.

_________________
Fire Phil Emery


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:18 pm
Posts: 4503
Location: connoisseur of women's non-revenue sports
pizza_Place: I vehemently disagree
I get what IB and BR are saying. And I respect that view. But I guess my point is that you really can't disparage NU for pursuing this kid or suggest that Fitz is doing something wrong by trying to get 3 years out of Kyle instead of 2. Especially if he is playing by the same rules as everyone else. Fitz didn't do anything wrong here. And I don't think there is even a moral gray area. I saw someone post something that Fitz was hypocritical in saying he won't go after PSU players and trying to get Kyle to play 3 years. I think this mode of thinking is completely ridiculous. They are two completely different situations. And frankly, I have no problem with anyone going after PSU players... I didn't think what Beckman did was wrong at all. Perhaps it came off as being in poor taste, but I suspect that is more media spin than anything else.

Regardless, I'm pleased that I'll get another year of seeing Kyle in purple. Seems like a good kid and should help create some mismatches. After all, that's what McCall's spread offense is all about... creating mismatches in space. I read that Rashard Lawrence, a true 6'2" receiver for the Wildcats is now the 7th tallest receiver at NU. We have NEVER had a receiving corp with this kind of size and speed. My only worry is that Kain doesn't have the arm strength to get them the ball in space.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:49 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19766
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
I think it will go the other way. Any kid that is released from scholarship cause the schools does not want him should never have to sit.
There is not a chance that happens, and it shouldn't.

Any player who wanted to transfer would just be a huge jerk until being released.

It's not relevant for all players yet, because the rule is still new, but any current recruit who doesn't sign a 4 year scholarship gets what they deserve if their scholarship is dropped.


Why is it fair a coach can not renew a scholarship and a kid has to sit? Especially when they are not a discipline problem?

You can transfer without sitting in all D1 sports except football and basketball.

I don't think many players would have a problem signing a four year scholarship. I doubt many are being offered. Nor do I think they would actually matter a whole lot.

What would keep the coach from being a huge dick to get a kid to transfer that has a four year deal? A coach would make a kid as miserable as possible until he left.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 94304
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Why is it fair a coach can not renew a scholarship and a kid has to sit? Especially when they are not a discipline problem?
In the past, this was a fair point. Now, it's not. Sign a 4 year scholarship and the coach can not do that. You also can go to a place where this doesn't happen. I don't feel bad for people who go to Alabama and then have this happen. They know what happens there.
conns7901 wrote:
You can transfer without sitting in all D1 sports except football and basketball.
That's because those sports don't matter that much.
conns7901 wrote:
I don't think many players would have a problem signing a four year scholarship. I doubt many are being offered. Nor do I think they would actually matter a whole lot.
I believe almost every Big Ten school is offering them or has already given some out.
conns7901 wrote:
What would keep the coach from being a huge dick to get a kid to transfer that has a four year deal? A coach would make a kid as miserable as possible until he left.
Of course that is possible, but if you are that miserable just sit out a year or retire from playing and just attend classes on your four year scholarship.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:05 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19766
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
What would keep the coach from being a huge dick to get a kid to transfer that has a four year deal? A coach would make a kid as miserable as possible until he left.
Of course that is possible, but if you are that miserable just sit out a year or retire from playing and just attend classes on your four year scholarship.


Why should a kid have to stop playing or sit a year because some coach who wants his own players comes in and cleans house?

A coach will screw over a player the moment something better comes along, whether it be a job or another kid coming in, the players should have the same opportunity.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:12 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 94304
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Why should a kid have to stop playing or sit a year because some coach who wants his own players comes in and cleans house?
The alternative is worse. Let me make this clear. Letting players transfer without any penalty is a terrible system. Yes, it sucks if you are released from your scholarship but the alternative is worse. Sitting out a year really isn't that bad.
conns7901 wrote:
A coach will screw over a player the moment something better comes along, whether it be a job or another kid coming in, the players should have the same opportunity.
No, they shouldn't. I don't know how else to say this. That system would be terrible. There just has to be some penalty for players who transfer. Otherwise, you'd basically have players transferring every year with very little continuity. "Oh, USC should be good this year, I'm going there" followed by "LSU is looking good, I'm going there".

I understand that it sucks that some players get treated poorly by the school but the alternative is worse.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:22 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19766
The system is terrible as it is, coaches can leave jobs whenever and avoid sanctions. I doubt you would see 50% roster turnover outside of maybe the SEC on a yearly basis.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:24 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19766
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Sitting out a year really isn't that bad.


Sure it is, especially if you have already used your red shirt and lose a year of eligibility.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 94304
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
The system is terrible as it is, coaches can leave jobs whenever and avoid sanctions. I doubt you would see 50% roster turnover outside of maybe the SEC on a yearly basis.
I think you'd actually see more players "forced" to transfer to make room and fix some holes. If Urban Meyer thinks he's got a chance to win the national title but he needs help at linebacker you don't think he's going after some others?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 94304
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Sitting out a year really isn't that bad.


Sure it is, especially if you have already used your red shirt and lose a year of eligibility.
The easy answer there is to allow all players to play 4 years out of 6.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19766
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
The system is terrible as it is, coaches can leave jobs whenever and avoid sanctions. I doubt you would see 50% roster turnover outside of maybe the SEC on a yearly basis.
I think you'd actually see more players "forced" to transfer to make room and fix some holes. If Urban Meyer thinks he's got a chance to win the national title but he needs help at linebacker you don't think he's going after some others?


I' sure he would already replace that kids scholarship with a Graduate transfer or a higher impact Freshman.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:42 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 94304
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
The system is terrible as it is, coaches can leave jobs whenever and avoid sanctions. I doubt you would see 50% roster turnover outside of maybe the SEC on a yearly basis.
I think you'd actually see more players "forced" to transfer to make room and fix some holes. If Urban Meyer thinks he's got a chance to win the national title but he needs help at linebacker you don't think he's going after some others?


I' sure he would already replace that kids scholarship with a Graduate transfer or a higher impact Freshman.
He's limited by what he can find though. The amount of players looking to transfer would skyrocket if they didn't have to sit out a year. We are already seeing that with the graduate exemption.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 23915
pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place
The whole thing is a scam. Pay the kids for their labor.

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:32 pm
Posts: 11750
pizza_Place: ***
Hatchetman wrote:
The whole thing is a scam. Pay the kids for their labor.

That's a non-sequitur to everything above.

_________________
Fire Phil Emery


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:31 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:18 pm
Posts: 4503
Location: connoisseur of women's non-revenue sports
pizza_Place: I vehemently disagree
There is a risk that this kid isn't even gonna make the two deep. Prater seemed to have potential. But he was never fast and could never really stay healthy. I wish the best for him, but for all the hype, he hasn't done much.

One thing I've noticed is that you should beware any kid that has an overly produced highlight film. I'd say 90% of the time they are sped up.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 45 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group