Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Because people like you would bitch about Illinois being better than 90% of the field?
This has nothing to do with Illinois. I certainly don't think Illinois should have been in the Tournament under the existing paradigm. I do, however, believe that Illinois and at least several other teams that did not make it would have given a better account of themselves than some that did. Of course, automatic bids have something to do with that, but the top teams in the smaller conferences are showing that they're often pretty damn good. The problem is that losing to good teams doesn't necessarily make a team good.
The issue I have is that a lot of people seem to be saying that NC State had a more successful season than St. John's based on nothing more than an arbitrary selection by a committee. If that committee had instead chosen St. John's and left NC State out, suddenly the success of the two teams would have been different without one thing changing in their actual performance or play. I can't get on board with such a silly philosophy. I wouldn't think an objective SABRmetric guy like you would either.
I wasn't aware there were a lot of people debating whether St. John's or NC State had the better season. If there are, I don't think many people are saying the reason NC State is a better team/had a better season is because they made the tourney (if they are, they're dolts that no one should really be concerned with). The argument would be they had a better season up to that point, thus why they were selected over St. John's. (But again, we're talking about arguing over who was, what, the 34th or 35th best at large team in the nation? Who does that?!?!)
Oh, and I'm far from a SABRmetric guy

...just because I disagree with you on the value of a starting pitchers win/loss record doesn't mean I think you can create a metric to explain/predict everything in sports.