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Bama is in. Nobody wants FSU. They’ll find a way to make it happen.

If FSU wins I don’t see how they aren’t in with Michigan and Washington. Might actually be Michigan’s year only for it to be vacated next year.

The SEC commish made a very sleazy lawyerly argument anticipating this exact situation. I bought it and I’m too deep now to return it.

Can’t have two undefeated teams in and one out.

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Bama is in. Nobody wants FSU. They’ll find a way to make it happen.

If FSU wins I don’t see how they aren’t in with Michigan and Washington. Might actually be Michigan’s year only for it to be vacated next year.

The SEC commish made a very sleazy lawyerly argument anticipating this exact situation. I bought it and I’m too deep now to return it.

Can’t have two undefeated teams in and one out.

The criteria guide toward best teams, not best records.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Bama is in. Nobody wants FSU. They’ll find a way to make it happen.

If FSU wins I don’t see how they aren’t in with Michigan and Washington. Might actually be Michigan’s year only for it to be vacated next year.

The SEC commish made a very sleazy lawyerly argument anticipating this exact situation. I bought it and I’m too deep now to return it.

Can’t have two undefeated teams in and one out.

The criteria guide toward best teams, not best records.

Which team is better: one that has never lost a game, or one that has lost a game?

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Bama is in. Nobody wants FSU. They’ll find a way to make it happen.

If FSU wins I don’t see how they aren’t in with Michigan and Washington. Might actually be Michigan’s year only for it to be vacated next year.

The SEC commish made a very sleazy lawyerly argument anticipating this exact situation. I bought it and I’m too deep now to return it.

Can’t have two undefeated teams in and one out.

The criteria guide toward best teams, not best records.

Which team is better: one that has never lost a game, or one that has lost a game?

Depends

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I'm watching the Idaho-SIU game right now. It looks like Idaho plays in a warehouse that has been converted into an athletic facility.

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I'm watching the Idaho-SIU game right now. It looks like Idaho plays in a warehouse that has been converted into an athletic facility.

Similar observation from this dummy: viewtopic.php?f=101&t=130463&p=3968445&hilit=Idaho#p3968445

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Depends

Lemme guess you’re about to drop some kinda woke nerd analytics on me to explain why a team that has never lost is worse than a team that’s lost.

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Depends

Lemme guess you’re about to drop some kinda woke nerd analytics on me to explain why a team that has never lost is worse than a team that’s lost.

I think you already agree with me as I haven’t seen you advocate for Liberty yet.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Depends

Lemme guess you’re about to drop some kinda woke nerd analytics on me to explain why a team that has never lost is worse than a team that’s lost.

I think you already agree with me as I haven’t seen you advocate for Liberty yet.

They aren’t in a Power 5 conference. Try again! Nice try trying to lawyer me on this nerd.

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SpiralStairs wrote:
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Depends

Lemme guess you’re about to drop some kinda woke nerd analytics on me to explain why a team that has never lost is worse than a team that’s lost.

I think you already agree with me as I haven’t seen you advocate for Liberty yet.

They aren’t in a Power 5 conference. Try again! Nice try trying to lawyer me on this nerd.

You’re already equivocating.

The assignment was to explain why a team that has never lost is worse than a team that has lost. You know that’s a losing argument which is why you fled from it after one post.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Depends

Lemme guess you’re about to drop some kinda woke nerd analytics on me to explain why a team that has never lost is worse than a team that’s lost.

I think you already agree with me as I haven’t seen you advocate for Liberty yet.

They aren’t in a Power 5 conference. Try again! Nice try trying to lawyer me on this nerd.

You’re already equivocating.

The assignment was to explain why a team that has never lost is worse than a team that has lost. You know that’s a losing argument which is why you fled from it after one post.

You’re the one trying to make the argument that a team that’s lost is better than a team that’s never lost not me :lol:

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This is the JORR pitcher W/L argument and you’re the nerd that’s not picking up on it :lol:

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This is the JORR pitcher W/L argument and you’re the nerd that’s not picking up on it :lol:

Huh?

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Nerd getting confused that a team that’s lost can be ranked lower than a team that’s never lost. Very sick!

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Gotta be Florida State. Alabama had their chance, but lost to a team who had the balls to have an excellent team on their non-conference schedule.

Those probably aren't the four best teams.


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SpiralStairs wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Depends

Lemme guess you’re about to drop some kinda woke nerd analytics on me to explain why a team that has never lost is worse than a team that’s lost.

I think you already agree with me as I haven’t seen you advocate for Liberty yet.

They aren’t in a Power 5 conference. Try again! Nice try trying to lawyer me on this nerd.

Good to see you've bounced back from your near death experience.

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1. Texas
2. Bama
3, Washington (in part to avoid Tide-Dawgs rematch until final game)
4. Georgia

Could also flip Bama/Washington or put undefeated Washington 1, Texas 2, Bama 3, Georgia 4. But the latter scenario has a rematch game, rather avoid that in the semis; and you can't really put Bama below Georgia at this point nor Bama at 1 ahead of Texas. So it's gotta be Texas 1 and then Wash 2, Bama 3 or Bama 2, Washington 3.

Good chance that ends up Horns-Huskies in the Championship game; and then maybe the SEC will STFU.

Michigan and Florida State have worse offenses/QBs than the Bear; their defenses 1 and 2 among the remaining teams; prolly Florida State first if they play like the did against Louisville.

Michigan-FSU would both get rolled by any of those 4 teams. Their defenses might keep em close in the first half; but then due to their offenses going 3 and out over and over for 3 quarters, their D's would get worn out by the 4th and it'd end up a double-digit L.


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What the committee has to decide today is a great reason why the playoffs needed to be more than 4.

OSU loses to an undefeated Michigan who will likely be #1 and doesn't get in. FSU is undefeated so they should be in but even they may be out. If FSU doesn't get in, all three other teams that make it will have made the playoff with a loss worse than what OSU had.

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What the committee has to decide today is a great reason why the playoffs needed to be more than 4.

OSU loses to an undefeated Michigan who will likely be #1 and doesn't get in. FSU is undefeated so they should be in but even they may be out. If FSU doesn't get in, all three other teams that make it will have made the playoff with a loss worse than what OSU had.


You have to draw the line somewhere, and whether that line gets drawn between 4 and 5 or 12 and 13, you're going to have teams that are on the other side of that line with a legitimate argument that they should be under the line. Also, every team that gets in ahead of Ohio State will have played one extra game against good competition and will be rewarded for that extra work by the committee. Finally, weren't you arguing earlier in this thread that the OSU v. Michigan game wasn't all that impactful because OSU can lose and still get in the playoffs?


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You have to draw the line somewhere, and whether that line gets drawn between 4 and 5 or 12 and 13, you're going to have teams that are on the other side of that line with a legitimate argument that they should be under the line. Also, every team that gets in ahead of Ohio State will have played one extra game against good competition and will be rewarded for that extra work by the committee.
I understand there needs to be a point where the line is drawn somewhere. However, the case for "Should this team have a chance to play for a national title?" is far better for whoever is left out at 5 or 6 than it would be even at 9. I don't think OSU should get in but I think it's undeniable that they also have a very strong case.




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Finally, weren't you arguing earlier in this thread that the OSU v. Michigan game wasn't all that impactful because OSU can lose and still get in the playoffs?
I think OSU vs. Michigan is impactful regardless of the college football playoff implications. I did point out last year that both teams made it.

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You have to draw the line somewhere, and whether that line gets drawn between 4 and 5 or 12 and 13, you're going to have teams that are on the other side of that line with a legitimate argument that they should be under the line. Also, every team that gets in ahead of Ohio State will have played one extra game against good competition and will be rewarded for that extra work by the committee.
I understand there needs to be a point where the line is drawn somewhere. However, the case for "Should this team have a chance to play for a national title?" is far better for whoever is left out at 5 or 6 than it would be even at 9. I don't think OSU should get in but I think it's undeniable that they also have a very strong case.




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Finally, weren't you arguing earlier in this thread that the OSU v. Michigan game wasn't all that impactful because OSU can lose and still get in the playoffs?
I think OSU vs. Michigan is impactful regardless of the college football playoff implications. I did point out last year that both teams made it.


Based on the history of the playoffs, I don't think the teams at 5 and 6 have a legitimate shot at the title. Most of those first round playoff games have been blowouts and I don't think lowering the standards will cause that to change. Also, if you want to play for the title, you control your own destiny: don't lose. That's the way it's been in college football for decades.


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Based on the history of the playoffs, I don't think the teams at 5 and 6 have a legitimate shot at the title. Most of those first round playoff games have been blowouts and I don't think lowering the standards will cause that to change. Also, if you want to play for the title, you control your own destiny: don't lose. That's the way it's been in college football for decades.
That's largely a function because of one team being completely dominant. The final game also has a comparable record of blowouts. Only 3 of the 8 final games have been within 10 points. 5 of the 16 semi-final games have been within 10 points.

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Brick wrote:
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Based on the history of the playoffs, I don't think the teams at 5 and 6 have a legitimate shot at the title. Most of those first round playoff games have been blowouts and I don't think lowering the standards will cause that to change. Also, if you want to play for the title, you control your own destiny: don't lose. That's the way it's been in college football for decades.
That's largely a function because of one team being completely dominant. The final game also has a comparable record of blowouts. Only 3 of the 8 final games have been within 10 points. 5 of the 16 semi-final games have been within 10 points.


I agree with your one dominant team theory. However, that's precisely why expanding the playoff field will accomplish nothing.


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Some of you think Michigan will be out? That’s crazy talk.

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Based on the history of the playoffs, I don't think the teams at 5 and 6 have a legitimate shot at the title. Most of those first round playoff games have been blowouts and I don't think lowering the standards will cause that to change. Also, if you want to play for the title, you control your own destiny: don't lose. That's the way it's been in college football for decades.
That's largely a function because of one team being completely dominant. The final game also has a comparable record of blowouts. Only 3 of the 8 final games have been within 10 points. 5 of the 16 semi-final games have been within 10 points.


I agree with your one dominant team theory. However, that's precisely why expanding the playoff field will accomplish nothing.

It ends up being the same thing though. When there is a dominant team then the difference between 2 teams, 4 teams, 8 teams, and 12 teams is negligible. The expanded playoffs are for years like this one where the #7 team in the CFP rankings today would have roughly the same chance of winning the national title as the #1 team would if both teams made it. We basically saw the same scenario play out last year where OSU lost to Michigan but OSU probably should have won the national title.

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NCAA screaming and crying that they can’t implement the expanded playoffs right now.

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Based on the history of the playoffs, I don't think the teams at 5 and 6 have a legitimate shot at the title. Most of those first round playoff games have been blowouts and I don't think lowering the standards will cause that to change. Also, if you want to play for the title, you control your own destiny: don't lose. That's the way it's been in college football for decades.
That's largely a function because of one team being completely dominant. The final game also has a comparable record of blowouts. Only 3 of the 8 final games have been within 10 points. 5 of the 16 semi-final games have been within 10 points.


I agree with your one dominant team theory. However, that's precisely why expanding the playoff field will accomplish nothing.

It ends up being the same thing though. When there is a dominant team then the difference between 2 teams, 4 teams, 8 teams, and 12 teams is negligible. The expanded playoffs are for years like this one where the #7 team in the CFP rankings today would have roughly the same chance of winning the national title as the #1 team would if both teams made it. We basically saw the same scenario play out last year where OSU lost to Michigan but OSU probably should have won the national title.


So you want to devalue the college football regular season for an expanded playoff format that you admit will only make a negligible difference in determining the winner for most seasons?

Also, we'll see if 1 through 7 are more or less the same this year. Something tells me that we're going to have our share of blowouts.


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