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pittmike

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:53 am

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Obviously the SEC has had great teams for the recent memory I have of it. One thing I do not understand though is if that conference is so awesome why do they not beat up on each other. You would think more upsets and 2 loss seasons would be commonplace.

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Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:57 am

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

But there's more to it than that. NIU won't have a loss and we know they aren't in the conversation.

NIU isn't from a BCS conference though. That's the major difference there.

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I'm a Midwesterner, I went to Illinois, I'm a Big Ten guy. But I can't objectively say that the Big Ten is on the same level as the SEC right now. Now, dan bernstein will act as if that's the way it will always be and segue into his narrative about the bigger, faster, blacker studs. I don't believe that. Gerry DiNardo has some thoughtful things to say about the rise of the SEC. I don't think it's a permanent condition. You know a lot more about the economics than I do, but I believe that the Big Ten is still the most financially powerful conference and its biggest rival isn't even the SEC, but rather Texas football. Several years back when Big Ten hoops were down you heard some of the same stuff about basketball. But I would argue that last year the Big Ten was far and away the strongest basketball conference.

No. The SEC is better. It's not close between the two. I just hate the idea that the SEC is so good that there can't be two teams in all of college football that would deserve to play each other.

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Hawkeye Vince

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:57 am

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So here's an even tougher argument - You have the following teams playing next weekend

#1 FSU (vs Duke)
#2 tOSU (vs #10 MSU)
#3 Auburn vs #5 Mizzou
#6 Ok State vs Oklahoma
#7 Stanford vs AZ State

WHo would be in top 4 for next year's playoffs?

Assume FSU wins.....there's 1. Would Alabama get jumped if OK State wins? Stanford? Auburn or Mizzou would be out of the dicussion - would mizzou jump into top 4 with a win?

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Regular Reader

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:01 am

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It is amazing to look at the rise that Mizzou has taken.

Five years ago, Illinois & their fans looked forward to a competitive game with them each year. Not now.

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Hawkeye Vince

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:03 am

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Regular Reader wrote:

It is amazing to look at the rise that Mizzou has taken.

Five years ago, Illinois & their fans looked forward to a competitive game with them each year. Not now.

They can pay better since they are now in the SEC.

And the irony is that they left the Big 12 and got better while Nebraska went backwards.

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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:06 am

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Regular Reader wrote:

It is amazing to look at the rise that Mizzou has taken.

Five years ago, Illinois & their fans looked forward to a competitive game with them each year. Not now.

In one year, Auburn and Missouri have gone from having a combined 2 wins in the SEC to playing in the championship game, that's pretty crazy.

So, see there is hope for the Hogs.

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Hawkeye Vince

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:11 am

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

It is amazing to look at the rise that Mizzou has taken.

Five years ago, Illinois & their fans looked forward to a competitive game with them each year. Not now.

In one year, Auburn and Missouri have gone from having a combined 2 wins in the SEC to playing in the championship game, that's pretty crazy.

So, see there is hope for the Hogs.

Do they still think AJ Derby is a QB? If so, you may want to rethink that.

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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:13 am

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Hawkeye Vince wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

It is amazing to look at the rise that Mizzou has taken.

Five years ago, Illinois & their fans looked forward to a competitive game with them each year. Not now.

In one year, Auburn and Missouri have gone from having a combined 2 wins in the SEC to playing in the championship game, that's pretty crazy.

So, see there is hope for the Hogs.

Do they still think AJ Derby is a QB? If so, you may want to rethink that.

No, and that was typed with a HUGE smile on my face.

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Hawkeye Vince

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:38 am

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Hawkeye Vince wrote:

Do they still think AJ Derby is a QB? If so, you may want to rethink that.

No, and that was typed with a HUGE smile on my face.

He was so bad that he was buried on the depth chart at Iowa as a QB, switched to LB and likely would be a backup this year there. He just was a bad QB.

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conns7901

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:20 am

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Im looking forward to the eventual 12-16 team playoff that will come sooner than later.

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Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:24 am

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conns7901 wrote:

Im looking forward to the eventual 12-16 team playoff that will come sooner than later.

It won't happen for 12 years though.

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spanky

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:49 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

conns7901 wrote:

Im looking forward to the eventual 12-16 team playoff that will come sooner than later.

It won't happen for 12 years though.

It's never gonna happen.
Irish Boy told all of us, multiple times, that he knows more about how the college football system works than the rest of us here and there will never, ever be any type of college football playoffs because the big schools/conferences will never, ever, ever let that happen.
We are stuck with the BCS system for eternity.

Wait...hold on.....what?....how soon?......damn, scratch all of that.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:56 pm

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Well, the new playoff is basically still the BCS. The NCAA isn't really involved.

I believe Irish Boy said there would be no NCAA run football playoff, and that is proving to be accurate.

The new format won't change for the next 12 years though.

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conns7901

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:57 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

conns7901 wrote:

Im looking forward to the eventual 12-16 team playoff that will come sooner than later.

It won't happen for 12 years though.

I feel like with the amount of money about to be made they will find a way to renegotiate whatever deals are currently in place. I'm thinking within 5-8 years at most. When there is billions to be made, they will find a way.

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spanky

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:58 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He said there wouldn't be any college football playoff at all. And you're never gonna believe this, but IB was slightly condescending and obnoxious when he was stating his "opinions".

So, like BRick has pointed out, IB is wrong for at least the next 12 years.

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Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:04 pm

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conns7901 wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

conns7901 wrote:

Im looking forward to the eventual 12-16 team playoff that will come sooner than later.

It won't happen for 12 years though.

They couldn't even renegotiate this year and ESPN is the television carrier for the old and new one.

The four team playoff still keeps the bowl system viable. Anything past that and basically they all might as well close up shop as they become the NIT of college football.

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Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:55 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Anything past that and basically they all might as well close up shop as they become the NIT of college football.

Isn't that what all non-BCS bowls already are?

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Brick

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:56 pm

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Douchebag wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Anything past that and basically they all might as well close up shop as they become the NIT of college football.

Isn't that what all non-BCS bowls already are?

No.

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Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:57 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Douchebag wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Anything past that and basically they all might as well close up shop as they become the NIT of college football.

Isn't that what all non-BCS bowls already are?

No.

You're right. The NIT is actually playing for something.

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Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:54 pm

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spanky wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

In fairness, IB was right about Gus Malzahn. Even before Auburn's title run iirc.

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conns7901

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:12 pm

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How would a 16 team playoff make the Gildan New Mexico bowl less important?

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Brick

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:35 pm

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conns7901 wrote:

How would a 16 team playoff make the Gildan New Mexico bowl less important?

It almost certainly would be completely gone.

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spanky

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:53 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

conns7901 wrote:

How would a 16 team playoff make the Gildan New Mexico bowl less important?

It almost certainly would be completely gone.

What would stop places like Shreveport, Mobile, Detroit, and Charlotte from holding their own 8-team version of an NIT? At least as much $ could be made off of those lesser bowls (as they do now I'm saying) and the coaches would still get the extra practice they crave.

It could be done. Easily.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:03 pm

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spanky wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

conns7901 wrote:

How would a 16 team playoff make the Gildan New Mexico bowl less important?

It almost certainly would be completely gone.

I think that eventually happens, though it will be more in the form of a different level of competition with schools that can't afford to pay every athlete $2,000-$3,000 more a month that will eventually come to the big conferences.

The only problem is that it either includes the big schools, and no one cares because it's called the 9th place, or 17th place tournament like the NIT was, or it doesn't include the big schools and it basically is a better version of the FCS playoffs.

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:18 pm

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I have a feeling someone is going to fuck up the whole NYD football watching thing more than they already have.

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spanky

Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:20 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

I have a feeling someone is going to fuck up the whole NYD football watching thing more than they already have.

NYD should/could have 4-8 1st round "playoff games" played every single year.

That's better than the current format.

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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:04 pm

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Mich St can beat Ohio State
and Miss can beat Auburn, wont be favored, but could win
Duke could beat....nah....I watched them, they are OK, but they arent a top program FSU will kill them

But If OSU and Auburn lose is Bama back in it?

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Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:56 pm

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bigfan wrote:

Yes, SOunds like Oklahoma State can't do anything to get in title game, Florida State and Ohio State win, your title game, one loses Sec winner in and if somehow Ohio State and FLorida State both lost, we could get Alabama vs Auburn/Missouri winner.

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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:01 pm

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reents wrote:

bigfan wrote:

What if Auburn crushes Missouri and Ohio State allows another 700 yards against MSU?

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Post subject: Re: BCS mess

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:03 pm

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bigfan wrote:

I think Mizzou would get in over Bama because they would have the win over Auburn.

Bama's only chance would be to have all 3 (OSU, Auburn, FSU) - then they would get to play Mizzou in the BCS game.

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