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Author:  Bucky Chris [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:41 pm ]
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Here is what my guy says:


BIG TEN SHAKEUP: 16 teams, 4 divisions.

The Big Ten divisions: (1) Cuse, Pitt, Rut., Penn St.(2) Mich., Wisc., Mich. St., Minny. (3) Ohio St., Purdont., IU, ILL. (4) Mizzou, Iowa, Neb., Kittens.

Author:  Drop In [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:43 pm ]
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My guy had this months ago.

Author:  RFDC [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:43 pm ]
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Interesting. When would this supposedly be taking place?

Author:  Eaglo Jeff [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:44 pm ]
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Why not call it the Super 16 then?


Still don't know why it was called "future mail" either. :?

Author:  Bucky Chris [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:46 pm ]
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Just a rumor for now... I don't have any other details.

Author:  Brick [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:46 pm ]
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I don't doubt the teams, but I doubt there will be 4 divisions. One of the major reasons for this would be to have a football title game. It's going to be hard to do that with 4 divisions unless it's a four team tournament which would likely require new rules by the NCAA.

I'd personally really like that division because Purdue actually does pretty well against Ohio State as compared to most other good football schools.

My guess would be that 1 and 2 would be combined and 3 and 4 would be combined with the champs in the title game. One other "protected" rivalry so Ohio State and Michigan always play at least one game and then one other floating game.

Author:  RFDC [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:15 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
My guess would be that 1 and 2 would be combined and 3 and 4 would be combined with the champs in the title game. One other "protected" rivalry so Ohio State and Michigan always play at least one game and then one other floating game.


Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I like it, let's get it started.

Author:  My_name_1s_MUD [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:20 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I'd personally really like that division because Purdue actually does pretty well against Ohio State as compared to most other good football schools.


:lol: Not so much... but much better than NU, I admit. The lifetime dOSU record against Purdue is 37-12-2. You guys win 24% of the time. That compares against 28% for the rest of the Big 10 and about 26% for all opponents. I'd assume that would be even better when you compared against "good" football programs.

Author:  RFDC [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:21 pm ]
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Ut oh, now you have done it Mud.

Author:  Irish Boy [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:23 pm ]
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I just don't see it happening. But we'll see.

Author:  RFDC [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:24 pm ]
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Irish Boy wrote:
I just don't see it happening. But we'll see.


Don't just leave it with that. Explain why you don't see it? What do you see happening?

Author:  Irish Boy [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:27 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Irish Boy wrote:
I just don't see it happening. But we'll see.


Don't just leave it with that. Explain why you don't see it? What do you see happening?

Maybe just a failure of imagination. But there's too many moving parts, too many campus presidents, conferences, etc. involved.

I think the Big East is preparing to defenestrate Notre Dame to save their football conference. If that happens, ND might be SOL and have to join. If not that, I could see picking off a single team, most likely Pitt, Rutgers, or Mizzou. But I just can't see the dissolution of two major conferences. But I have no inside info and could very well be wrong.

Author:  Brick [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:21 pm ]
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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I'd personally really like that division because Purdue actually does pretty well against Ohio State as compared to most other good football schools.


:lol: Not so much... but much better than NU, I admit. The lifetime dOSU record against Purdue is 37-12-2. You guys win 24% of the time. That compares against 28% for the rest of the Big 10 and about 26% for all opponents. I'd assume that would be even better when you compared against "good" football programs.
You must have misunderstood me. I believe Purdue is 3-5 against Ohio State since I've been a fan with roughly half of those losses being by a touchdown or less.

Purdue was as bad as Indiana is now for about 3 decades so that 24% isn't really indicative of where they are now.

I'd be surprised if any Big Ten team had a winning record against Ohio State in the same time frame. Therefore, even the best Big Ten team is probably at best 4-4 against them. I'm sure Michigan has a losing record over that time. Penn State is probably just about even.

Author:  spmack [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:41 pm ]
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Bucky Chris wrote:
Here is what my guy says:


BIG TEN SHAKEUP: 16 teams, 4 divisions.

The Big Ten divisions: (1) Cuse, Pitt, Rut., Penn St.(2) Mich., Wisc., Mich. St., Minny. (3) Ohio St., Purdont., IU, ILL. (4) Mizzou, Iowa, Neb., Kittens.

I'd switch Minny to #4, NU to 3, and Ohio State to 2.

Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:26 pm ]
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Iowa's two biggest Big Ten Rivals are Wisconsin and Minnesota - I can't see them being broken up. I would love to play Nebraska every year though.

Author:  spanky [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:33 pm ]
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No offense Vince - but if expanding the Big Ten to the extent that is being rumored comes at the expense of ruining Iowa's "biggest conference rivalries", well......you know......yeah.......

Sorry. The rest of the 50 million football fans in the midwest......We'll take it.

Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:56 pm ]
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spanky wrote:
No offense Vince - but if expanding the Big Ten to the extent that is being rumored comes at the expense of ruining Iowa's "biggest conference rivalries", well......you know......yeah.......

Sorry. The rest of the 50 million football fans in the midwest......We'll take it.

What about Michigan OSU? Would they guarantee that game since they are not in the same division? What about Illinois/NU?

I actually don't believe this alignment would happen. I think it's more likely to get 1 or 3 teams than 5.

Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:41 am ]
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I hate this idea. The conference would have absolutely no identity. The football would not even be all that great.

Author:  Brick [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:04 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
I hate this idea. The conference would have absolutely no identity. The football would not even be all that great.
That's a good point. Adding Nebraska/Missouri and Rutgers/Syracuse/Pittsburgh does really seem to make the conference lose some identity. That's a huge geographic region.

Personally, I'd rather see them expand to 14 teams and drop Nebraska and Missouri.

I wonder if this "rumor" is simply an attempt to scare Notre Dame into joining since taking those three teams would cripple the Big East to the point where they may not recover. Losing Pittsburgh and Syracuse and replacing them with Memphis and Central Florida is a big downgrade.

Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:11 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
You must have misunderstood me. I believe Purdue is 3-5 against Ohio State since I've been a fan with roughly half of those losses being by a touchdown or less.


Illinois is 3-5 against OSU in their last 8 meetings with an overtime loss, 3 point loss, and a 7 point loss.

Author:  mel junior [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:14 am ]
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I'd think you'd want to find a way to get Illinois and Mizzou together.

I like spmack's lineup best.

Author:  Brick [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:17 am ]
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mel junior wrote:
I like spmack's lineup best.
So would Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern and Indiana. :lol:

They might as well call that group "Big Ten:Slightly better than the MAC division".

Author:  NSJ [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:45 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
mel junior wrote:
I like spmack's lineup best.
So would Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern and Indiana. :lol:

They might as well call that group "Big Ten:Slightly better than the MAC division".


That group would be called The Big 1 and Little 3.

Author:  mel junior [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:46 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
mel junior wrote:
I like spmack's lineup best.
So would Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern and Indiana. :lol:

They might as well call that group "Big Ten:Slightly better than the MAC division".


They would rule Women's Lacrosse.

Author:  W_Z [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:19 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
That's a good point. Adding Nebraska/Missouri and Rutgers/Syracuse/Pittsburgh does really seem to make the conference lose some identity. That's a huge geographic region.



their identity is a number, not a region.

Author:  Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Sat May 01, 2010 7:14 am ]
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Irish Boy wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Irish Boy wrote:
I just don't see it happening. But we'll see.


Don't just leave it with that. Explain why you don't see it? What do you see happening?

Maybe just a failure of imagination. But there's too many moving parts, too many campus presidents, conferences, etc. involved.

I think the Big East is preparing to defenestrate Notre Dame to save their football conference. If that happens, ND might be SOL and have to join. If not that, I could see picking off a single team, most likely Pitt, Rutgers, or Mizzou. But I just can't see the dissolution of two major conferences. But I have no inside info and could very well be wrong.


Rumblings out of Big Least that they want the Irish all in....Football, too, or the Irish out.
Big 10 vs. Big Least should be a no brainer for Irish, but who knows how they think down there after two bottles of wine and a trip to the Grotto.

Author:  newper [ Sat May 01, 2010 7:32 am ]
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Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote:
Rumblings out of Big Least that they want the Irish all in....Football, too, or the Irish out.
Big 10 vs. Big Least should be a no brainer for Irish, but who knows how they think down there after two bottles of wine and a trip to the Grotto.

I heard from Terry's peeps that they are joining the Pac 10 to keep the USC rivalry.

Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Thu May 06, 2010 10:38 am ]
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Interesting info from Illini sports writer Mark Tupper -

Mark Tupper wrote:
BIG MONEY FOR BTN – It doesn’t seem long ago that the world was full of doubters and complainers regarding the launch of the Big Ten Network.

Access during the network’s first year was difficult due to rough negotiations with Comcast and Time-Warner, but after an agreement was reached in 2008, the network has taken off big-time and now is the envy of all of college sports.

According to an article in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, the Big Ten now leads all conferences in television revenue, turning $22 million over to each member institution in 2008-09.

Southeastern Conference schools, by comparison, pulled in the second-most at $17 million each. But the dropoff was significant after that. Big 12 schools were third at $6.5 million each.
That’s why when the Big Ten considers expanding to 12, 14 or 16 teams, schools like Missouri have to take a very serious look at the financial implications.

Over a five-year period, Missouri’s TV revenue from the Big 12 Conference would be $32.5 million. If Missouri was in the Big Ten during the same period, the school’s TV revenue would be $110 million.

How many schools presidents and athletic directors can afford to sniff away $77.5 million?

Author:  My_name_1s_MUD [ Thu May 06, 2010 11:03 am ]
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BTN is an unequivocal success. I've seen it written that if ND accepted a B10 offer, that they would be actually financially better off than their current NBC contract. I'm sure the ND will leverage this in their next negotiation. However, now NBC Universal is a subsidiary of Comcast and I'm not sure Comcast will be as free with the checkbook as GE. Keep in mind that Comcast is a lower-rated (credit quality) compay than GE, which has substantially more resources than Comcast.

Author:  Brick [ Thu May 06, 2010 11:23 am ]
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I wonder how big things go even with only a minor addition to the conference.

Right now, every cable/satellite provider available to me has BTN and I'm pretty far from Big Ten country(for now). This isn't even true for the NFL Network. It's not available here on my cable system. I think there is a pretty substantial portion of the market here that wants it and makes demand and the BTN will be able to raise rates as it takes advantage of the FIOS vs. cable vs. satellite wars. The BTN is one of those things that people will switch providers for.

What's interesting is that currently a lot of this money is being used to upgrade facilities. Purdue will use it to upgrade the basketball facilities and then upgrade the football stadium. Once that is done, the coaches salaries start to come in to play.

If you look at the SEC, the coaches salaries attracting big names is one of the major reasons why they are so dominant. The Big Ten may not only be able to compete with that but they may also be able to outspend them and over the next decade or so the upgraded facilities and upgraded coaching may close the gap.

The other conferences, outside of the Pac-10 won't be able to compete with either of them on money. It should be interesting.

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