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I just wonder if his "system" was overrated because he hit the jackpot with Steve Slaton and Pat White who in hindsight were two perfect pieces for the system. The results haven't been so good without them at Michigan with some highly regarded talent.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I propose a deal. "You" (the collective "you") don't talk about Michigan's football problems, and I stop referring to the lack of Purdue Final Four appearances, or Illinois winning seasons, or Iowa big game wins...or something like that

And...f-u BD

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

And...f-u BD

Regular Reader wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

And...f-u BD

Hey, everybody in this thread whose team has defeated Ohio State in the past 2,000 days, raise your hand!

Oh how the mighty have fallen. In a football discussion a Michigan fan has to bring up a basketball conversation(where we are currently light years ahead of you anyways). :lol:

At least all our final four appearances counted. At least you avoided getting caught for 1989 though. :wink:

Purdue made the Final Four? Really? The Men's team?!? Shocking?

Hey, everybody in this thread whose team has defeated Ohio State in the past 2,000 days, raise your hand!

Regular Reader wrote:

Purdue made the Final Four? Really? The Men's team?!? Shocking?

The last time was in the 80s, just like Michigan.

My guess on Michigan is it will be another bad year, 6-6 would get a bowl game, but 6 wins is being generous. That's if they get a 3-1 start, 2-2 or worse and Rich Rod may not make it through the season.

My thought about Michigan is I think Rodriguez will be let go and Michigan this time will bring in Les Miles to be the head coach.

There's probably an element of truth to that, but Rodriguez has been successful at many places. I think the offense should move along nicely, assuming the reports about Tate Forcier being a complete flake aren't true. There defense might be worst in the Big Ten, however, with the only two functional players on defense having gone into the draft. That has complete disaster written all over it.

reents wrote:

There is another former Wolverine who is a Coach......JIM HARBAUGH!!!!!

Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote:

reents wrote:

There is another former Wolverine who is a Coach......JIM HARBAUGH!!!!!

I want to see how Harbaugh does this year without Gerhart, still has Andrew Luck, though I wouldn't mind seeing Harbaugh coach at Michigan.

I wonder if after this run by Boise State if Chris Peterson is finally available.

I don't know if he's a good fit for a program like Michigan but he may be wanting to get out of Boise since they aren't going to continue to be a national story forever like most small teams that make it big.

Author:	Irish Boy [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Michigan Wolverines
This is the first in a series of what I hope will be eleven essays on the state of the Big Ten football programs. I am going in no particular order, as the mood strikes me. These should be wrapped up by the beginning of the season. Despite the infamous Appalachian State meltdown and thrashing at the hands of Oregon to start the season, the 2007 Michigan Wolverines were roughly as good as the teams that had come immediately before them. Another 6-2 Big Ten season had passed, with another loss to Ohio State--a close loss, as so many had been, but a loss in which the end result was never really in question. That Wolverines team actually finished second in the Big Ten, ahead of Rose Bowl-bound Illinois by way of their head to head tiebreaker victory over the Illini in Champaign. On New Years Day, in Lloyd Carr’s final game as head coach, the Wolverines would hand the recently Heisman-minted Tim Tebow his only out-of-conference loss in the Capital One Bowl. Nevertheless, there was a sense that the Wolverines were simply running in place. Lloyd Carr was never going to be run out of Michigan, but there was not many feelings of regret or anguish when he announced that he would be stepping down at the end of the year. This was the opportunity to reshape a stagnant program, in much the same way Ohio State had done just half a decade before when hiring Jim Tressel. The coaching transition did not go smoothly. The obvious first choice to take Carr’s spot was Les Miles, former offensive lineman under “Coach Bo” in the 1970s and architect of the renaissance at Oklahoma State. The only problem with Miles was that his LSU Tigers were in line to go to the national championship, and Michigan certainly couldn’t wait until four weeks before national signing day to announce their head coach. Erroneous media reports forced Miles’s hand, and on the eve of the SEC championship game, Miles locked himself into remaining at LSU, a move that both Tigers fans and Wolverines fans have regretted since. Left with a less than thrilling array of second-tier choices--Kirk Ferentz, Greg Schiano, Brady Hoke--Michigan decided to poach spread guru Rich Rodriguez from West Virginia. Rodriguez got the Mountaineers within a game of the national championship before an injury to Pat White against Pitt ended their chances (WVU would defeat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl). Rodriguez was a spread mastermind, but he was also known as something of a mercenary coach, and he was from outside the traditional Michigan family tree. Nevertheless, if new blood was needed, Rodriguez was perhaps the best name available. The transition would undoubtedly be tough--Michigan was set to lose their QB, left tackle, and RB to the NFL draft--but a sudden shock to the system might revitalize a stagnant program. But while growing pains were inevitable, the 3-9 debacle that followed in 2008 was completely unanticipated. A loss to MAC patsy Toledo would, in some ways, prove more embarrassing than the loss to I-AA champion Appalachian State, and apart from an inexplicable outburst against Minnesota and a somewhat fluky home victory over Wisconsin, Michigan had very little to cheer. 2009 was supposed to be the turnaround year, and after a 4-0 start that included a thrilling win over Notre Dame, the renaissance appeared imminent. Michigan would win one game the rest of the way (over Delaware State), with losses to Purdue, Illinois (by 25 points) and, inevitably, Ohio State once more. There were still reasonable excuses, to be sure. Both starting quarterbacks were true freshmen, and the better of the two played injured for most of the second half. Their best offensive lineman went out early in the conference schedule, and the line regressed drastically thereafter. Games against Michigan State and Iowa went to the wire and could easily have turned out differently with just a handful of plays going the other way. This year appears to be even better for Michigan, but to call that a success is to pick up the story from 2010, rather than following it back to 2007. Whatever the merits of the 2010 Wolverines or Rodriguez as a coach, the idea that early struggles would pay late dividends seems quite fanciful today. The best case scenario for this year cannot be more than 8-4, not when games against Ohio State, Penn State, and Notre Dame all come on the road. Add in home games against top-15 outfits Wisconsin and Iowa, and the Wolverines will have to flip a probable loss into a win just to hit that best-case number. Factor in deceivingly tough games against Uconn and road trips to Indiana and Purdue, and the case for 8 wins becomes even tougher. Even the “obvious” wins on the schedule may be anything but; Illinois has just as many regular season wins as Michigan over the last two years, yet Illinois won by 25 points in their matchups against the Wolverines in both 2008 and 2009. Still, eight wins is plausible. So what? The 2007 Wolverines won eight games--nine, if you count their bowl victory--and it’s hard to imagine a Lloyd Carr team falling quite as far as Rodriguez’s 2008 version, even with the struggles at QB. A return to eight wins would merely be a return to a status quo that Michigan fans had so recently found unacceptable. And if the 2011 version isn’t on pace to be a legitimate BCS team--if you squint hard enough, you might see a Rose Bowl team somewhere in there two years down the line, though it’s difficult--that all that sturm und drang in 2007 and 2008 went for naught. Unfortunately for Michigan, a failure in 2010 does not mean hitting the reset button and continuing onward. Rodriquez’s recruits are fitted for his system, and any new coach is likely to have difficulty reestablishing the traditional Michigan power attack. Defensive recruiting has been slow over the past two years, and many positions even now are dangerously thin. A failure to make a bowl game this year would mean that many recruits targeted by Michigan will have been in grade school or freshmen in high school the last time Michigan won a bowl game. And as pre-Saban Alabama fans or pre-Pelini Nebraska fans could tell you, it’s a long way back to the top, even for the most storied of programs.

Author:	ChgoSportsFreak [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
GO BLUE!

Author:	Regular Reader [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Now that's a nice, dilettante-ish but, still ND fan meatball review. ....when Mike White runs your Alma Mater's squad again, maybe you'll regain relevance. Doubtful...

Author:	Brick [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
I just wonder if his "system" was overrated because he hit the jackpot with Steve Slaton and Pat White who in hindsight were two perfect pieces for the system. The results haven't been so good without them at Michigan with some highly regarded talent.

Author:	Regular Reader [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:20 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Boilermaker Rick wrote: I just wonder if his "system" was overrated because he hit the jackpot with Steve Slaton and Pat White who in hindsight were two perfect pieces for the system. The results haven't been so good without them at Michigan with some highly regarded talent. I propose a deal. "You" (the collective "you") don't talk about Michigan's football problems, and I stop referring to the lack of Purdue Final Four appearances, or Illinois winning seasons, or Iowa big game wins...or something like that And...f-u BD

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Author:	Irish Boy [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
There's probably an element of truth to that, but Rodriguez has been successful at many places. I think the offense should move along nicely, assuming the reports about Tate Forcier being a complete flake aren't true. There defense might be worst in the Big Ten, however, with the only two functional players on defense having gone into the draft. That has complete disaster written all over it. I think you'll see them win seven games this year, Rodriguez will remain, and the program will return roughly to the state they were in for the late Carr years. Given the interim chaos, I don't think that's enough to justify the hiring anymore.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Regular Reader wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I just wonder if his "system" was overrated because he hit the jackpot with Steve Slaton and Pat White who in hindsight were two perfect pieces for the system. The results haven't been so good without them at Michigan with some highly regarded talent. I propose a deal. "You" (the collective "you") don't talk about Michigan's football problems, and I stop referring to the lack of Purdue Final Four appearances, or Illinois winning seasons, or Iowa big game wins...or something like that And...f-u BD Oh how the mighty have fallen. In a football discussion a Michigan fan has to bring up a basketball conversation(where we are currently light years ahead of you anyways). At least all our final four appearances counted. At least you avoided getting caught for 1989 though.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Irish Boy wrote: Regular Reader wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I just wonder if his "system" was overrated because he hit the jackpot with Steve Slaton and Pat White who in hindsight were two perfect pieces for the system. The results haven't been so good without them at Michigan with some highly regarded talent. I propose a deal. "You" (the collective "you") don't talk about Michigan's football problems, and I stop referring to the lack of Purdue Final Four appearances, or Illinois winning seasons, or Iowa big game wins...or something like that And...f-u BD Hey, everybody in this thread whose team has defeated Ohio State in the past 2,000 days, raise your hand!

Author:	Brick [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Regular Reader wrote: Purdue made the Final Four? Really? The Men's team?!? Shocking? The last time was in the 80s, just like Michigan.

Author:	reents [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
My guess on Michigan is it will be another bad year, 6-6 would get a bowl game, but 6 wins is being generous. That's if they get a 3-1 start, 2-2 or worse and Rich Rod may not make it through the season. My thought about Michigan is I think Rodriguez will be let go and Michigan this time will bring in Les Miles to be the head coach.

Author:	Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
reents wrote: My guess on Michigan is it will be another bad year, 6-6 would get a bowl game, but 6 wins is being generous. That's if they get a 3-1 start, 2-2 or worse and Rich Rod may not make it through the season. My thought about Michigan is I think Rodriguez will be let go and Michigan this time will bring in Les Miles to be the head coach. There is another former Wolverine who is a Coach......JIM HARBAUGH!!!!!

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:59 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Looking at this season, the team will only be as good as their defense which loses their two best defenders in Graham and Donovan Warren and they are changing their look again (going from a 4-2-5 to a 3-3-5) I fully expect them to have a similarly horrendous year on D and lose quite a few shootouts.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Irish Boy wrote: There's probably an element of truth to that, but Rodriguez has been successful at many places. I think the offense should move along nicely, assuming the reports about Tate Forcier being a complete flake aren't true. There defense might be worst in the Big Ten, however, with the only two functional players on defense having gone into the draft. That has complete disaster written all over it. Thats interesting. What are the reports? I assume I can find them on http://www.qbforce.com/ Still the Best Website ever. Nice Report. Fuck Michigan

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Speaking of Forcier, have to love when your teammates bury you. https://www.michigandaily.com/content/w ... ew-leader# According to Woolfolk, what was once a neck-and-neck race between Forcier and Robinson for the starting quarterback job has begun to tip in Robinson's favor. And a big reason for that, Woolfolk said, is the team's perception of players who don't show up to voluntary workouts. "I personally have a lack of respect for them," Woolfolk said. "The outlook on them is kind of diseased. Like you don't want to be hanging around those people because they have bad work ethic. But at the same time, it's my role to try to persuade them to come out more." According to Woolfolk, Forcier hasn't shown up to as many workouts as he and the other seniors feel he should have, and Woolfolk said it's hurting his teammates' perception of their signal caller.

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Author:	reents [ Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:03 pm ]
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Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote: reents wrote: My guess on Michigan is it will be another bad year, 6-6 would get a bowl game, but 6 wins is being generous. That's if they get a 3-1 start, 2-2 or worse and Rich Rod may not make it through the season. My thought about Michigan is I think Rodriguez will be let go and Michigan this time will bring in Les Miles to be the head coach. There is another former Wolverine who is a Coach......JIM HARBAUGH!!!!! I want to see how Harbaugh does this year without Gerhart, still has Andrew Luck, though I wouldn't mind seeing Harbaugh coach at Michigan.

Author:	My_name_1s_MUD [ Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:31 pm ]
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My impression is that Harbaugh is persona non grata after he knocked Michigan for academic standards for players.

Author:	Irish Boy [ Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Michigan may have just lost CB Troy Woolfolk for an extended period of time, possibly the entire season. If true, Michigan has exactly one cornerback on the team that is not a true freshman. Woolfolk was targeted quite a bit last year, but he was generally regarded as the best player in the secondary. If they lose him, look for teams to run a lot of four and five wide sets. This could be especially bad for their Notre Dame game.

Author:	Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:51 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
No chance Michigan wins 8 games, more like 4 or 5. I think their QB situation will be in turmoil all season and they'll probably lose to UConn and everybody will freak out from the get-go.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
reents wrote: Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote: reents wrote: My guess on Michigan is it will be another bad year, 6-6 would get a bowl game, but 6 wins is being generous. That's if they get a 3-1 start, 2-2 or worse and Rich Rod may not make it through the season. My thought about Michigan is I think Rodriguez will be let go and Michigan this time will bring in Les Miles to be the head coach. There is another former Wolverine who is a Coach......JIM HARBAUGH!!!!! I want to see how Harbaugh does this year without Gerhart, still has Andrew Luck, though I wouldn't mind seeing Harbaugh coach at Michigan. I'm with you on that. I don't even like Luck very much.

Author:	BD [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Michigan’s in big trouble this year. Big, big trouble. 7-5 is the record I’m projecting for them, but a win either way (8-4 or 6-6) is equally likely. They are likely the 5th or 6th best team in the Conference and this is likely Rodriguez’s last season as the Head Coach. And he wasn’t kidding when he said the closet is basically bare. The team is paper thin with anything resembling traditional depth, so even if they add a new Coach, Rich would have stripped them so bare of the young talent they live off of that the next Coach will spend 3 years just trying to get some competitive players on the field. I expect 2014 to be the next time Michigan hits 10 wins in a season and that’s sad.

Author:	Irish Boy [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:17 am ]
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If they go 7-5 Rodriguez is back. 6-6, maybe not.

Author:	My_name_1s_MUD [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:41 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Who do they go after? Are they really considering Les Miles still? Everything I hear out of the SEC is that they view him as the village idiot. Will Michigan really want to be seen as taking LSU's sloppy seconds?

Author:	Irish Boy [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:48 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
I have no idea. Everyone says Harbaugh, but he's kind of persona non grata after the academic comments, and word on the street is that the new AD is an anti-Harbaugh guy. Les Miles seems to be over too. It's still Michigan, so you can get a lot of what you want, but the Lloyd Carr tree had pretty fruitless. The funny thing is that the RichRod experience will keep Michigan from going that direction and hiring anyone really interesting or daring like Leach or Malzahn. What coaches still line up in the I and point it 30 times a game...and are desireable? Some NFL castoff, maybe?

Author:	Brick [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:57 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
I wonder if after this run by Boise State if Chris Peterson is finally available. I don't know if he's a good fit for a program like Michigan but he may be wanting to get out of Boise since they aren't going to continue to be a national story forever like most small teams that make it big.

Author:	reents [ Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Bump, do we need to bring back the talk of Rich Rodriguez getting fired again, he looked like he was early in the year, now there next win may be against Purdue and if not there 3 straight non bowl seasons.

Author:	good dolphin [ Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Michigan Wolverines
Boilermaker Rick wrote: I wonder if after this run by Boise State if Chris Peterson is finally available. I don't know if he's a good fit for a program like Michigan but he may be wanting to get out of Boise since they aren't going to continue to be a national story forever like most small teams that make it big. Boise has been doing there thing for more than a decade. It took them a little while to get too big for the hometown Humanitarian Bowl, but they were regularly beating teams in that game.