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Author: | Irish Boy [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Illinois Fighting Illini |
It wasn’t supposed to be that way. The 2007 Rose Bowl season came at least one year ahead of schedule. 2008 was a disappointing 5-7, but there were a few flukish losses in there, and a couple of solid victories as well. 2009 saw Juice Williams and Arrelious Benn return for what was sure to be their final seasons. The defense was stocked with better athletes than the Rose Bowl team. A low bowl birth was the absolute worst case expectation; another BCS appearance wasn’t beyond the realm of possibility. Yet Illini fans were quickly disabused of their delusions of grandeur early in a 37-9 loss against Missouri in St. Louis. After a pounding of I-AA Illinois State, the Fighting Illini were defeated soundly in all aspects of the game by Ohio State and Penn State. The game against Michigan State was competitive, but an ill-conceived switch to Eddie McGee stifled the offense. Indiana earned its only conference victory of the year against Illinois, and Purdue rather easily handled them the next week. That was roughly the script until, well, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTlztdYs_8). One goal line stand against Michigan later, and Illinois was at least competitive in their remaining games (if not markedly better at only 2-3). Even BCS-bound Cincinnati struggled to stop the Illinois offense, although the defense continued to struggle. Juice is now gone, as is Benn. Not gone, surprisingly, is Ron Zook, widely assumed to be on one of the hottest seats in the country. This may be true, but Illinois also went out and signed a pair of hotshot coordinators—Paul “yes that” Petrino and Vic Koenning—to two year deals, and it might be that those two could never have been lured if they weren’t assured of their job for more than a year. The attitude around camp seems to be that Petrino and Koenning are in charge of Xs and Os from here on out; Zook has been “promoted” to master recruiter and motivational guru. We’ll see how that works. Besides from the Zook chatter, the biggest storyline is the loss of “talent” the Illini have suffered. This is partially true, as the 2009 disaster preceded a wave of defections and transfers from the team. Illinois lacks Big Ten depth, and the two deep has a lot of players that would have to fight for starting positions on MAC teams. But, interestingly enough, nearly every position on the team has at least one player that could potentially be All Big Ten caliber. On defense, defensive tackle Corey Liuget has thus far lived up to his potential as a high 4 star recruit out of Hialeah, Florida. Sophomore DE Michael Buchanan was also a 4 star recruit. Martez Wilson was a 5 star recruited by most of the schools in the nation; no one really knows what to expect from Wilson after missing all of last season with a neck injury. CB Terry Hawthorne, the hero of the clip above, was was a Parade All-American in high school, and his counterpart Tavon Wilson was one of the better defensive backs in the Big Ten last year. On offense, redshirt freshman Nathan Scheelhaase takes over the offense. Scheelhaase boasted offers from Oklahoma and several Big Ten schools out of high school. Mikel Leshoure averaged almost seven yards a carry at running back last year. Transfer WR Jarred Fayson failed to provide a spark last year, but he was a five star recruit for Florida, and the talent seems to be there. Once again, one problem is depth. Another problem is getting those lofty recruiting rankings to materialize; the coaching change might help, but reading tea leaves about overly optimistic spring chatter is dangerous. Illinois might not have the horses to compete against an Ohio State, but they shouldn’t be out-talented by a Northwestern or a Minnesota. Will that materialize into wins? The schedule starts tough, with the neutral site game against Missouri and a Big Ten schedule opening against Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan State. But if Illinois can start 3-3 (wins against Southern Illinois, Northern Illinois, and one of those four teams), 7-5 isn’t completely out of the question, as the season closes with home dates against Indiana and Purdue, a trip to Michigan, home at Minnesota, the Wrigley Field tussle against Northwestern, and a trip to tricky Fresno State. Then again, 3-9 or 2-10 is just as likely, and every team on the schedule is probably penciling in Illinois as a win of their own. The Zook era hasn’t gone according to the script at any point yet though, and Illinois fans are hoping that some of that unpredictability can be harnessed. |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
Irish Boy wrote: The Zook era hasn’t gone according to the script at any point yet though, and Illinois fans are hoping that some of that unpredictability can be harnessed. Maybe Zook should change his slogan from "belIeve" to "harnessing unpredictability". |
Author: | My_name_1s_MUD [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
Call me optimistic. I think you can do alot with a couple great coordinator hires. All that being said, I think Zook needs to do a better job at setting a more serious tone. The guy seems so aloof on the sidelines. No real sense of urgency. |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
My_name_1s_MUD wrote: No real sense of urgency. You're just trying to rile Irish Boy up, aren't you? Good coordinators are always a good thing and these two are probably the best in the Zook era. I just don't get how this whole dynamic works though. It's like the Buddy Ryan / Ditka thing times 2. Petrino is in charge of the offense and Koenning is in charge of the defense and Zook I guess just calls the timeouts. I mean how can Zook effectively lead if nobody thinks he has any authority whatsoever. Seems like a College of Coaches recipe for disaster. But, if anybody can make that work, it's the Zooker. |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
It should be a fascinating dynamic. My question is this. Let's say Illinois is currently down 10-0 in the second quarter, the offense is sputtering and the defense has had a few close calls that could have blown the game wide open. Does Zook have the authority to change things up or is it pretty much the coordinators job to do things different without instruction from the head coach? Is he basically just going to stand there like Paterno does now? |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: It should be a fascinating dynamic. My question is this. Let's say Illinois is currently down 10-0 in the second quarter, the offense is sputtering and the defense has had a few close calls that could have blown the game wide open. Does Zook have the authority to change things up or is it pretty much the coordinators job to do things different without instruction from the head coach? Is he basically just going to stand there like Paterno does now? I don't know either. I think he's like a highly paid consultant. |
Author: | My_name_1s_MUD [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
I was under the impression that Coach Fitz simply delegates everything to his coordinators. Fitz is essentially the liason to the officials and giving high fives to the players coming off the field. Apparently I was wrong because Fitz has input into defense... and he was the one who called the "Fastball" play at the end of the Auburn game. He's also responsible for VERY poor clock management. I wonder how many coaches in the Big 10 are calling either offensive or defensive plays consisntently through the game. |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
From what I understand, almost all coaches delegate the play-by-play to assistants. Unless you are Charlie Weis trying to save your job by proving how much of a genius you are you manage them. However, you are in communication with them and if you want to change things up you have that power. It may be a simple "let's establish the run a little more" to "I think that the defense is getting too much penetration, let's throw a screen pass to give them something to think of". From the sounds of it, Zook won't really be doing much of that since the coordinators almost seemed to be co-Head Coaches. |
Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
I would expect head coaches to make the 'big calls' - like do we go for it on 4th and inches in the 3rd quarter at 50 or is it time to pull the QB or kick the FG here but the play by play calling goes to the coordinators. |
Author: | spanky [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
Irish Boy wrote: But if Illinois can start 3-3 (wins against Southern Illinois, Northern Illinois, and one of those four teams)... |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:15 am ] |
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spanky wrote: Irish Boy wrote: But if Illinois can start 3-3 (wins against Southern Illinois, Northern Illinois, and one of those four teams)... Isn't it about time for you to break out NIU Huskie, spanky? |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
I was thinking the same thing. |
Author: | spanky [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
Couple more weeks.... |
Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
All will be better with the Illini when the Josh Ferguson era begins next season. |
Author: | My_name_1s_MUD [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:26 am ] |
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Isn't it about time for you to break out NIU Huskie, spanky? Is NIU_Huskie his MULT? Would've never guessed that one. |
Author: | spanky [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
My_name_1s_MUD wrote: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Isn't it about time for you to break out NIU Huskie, spanky? Is NIU_Huskie his MULT? Would've never guessed that one. No. |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
spanky wrote: My_name_1s_MUD wrote: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Isn't it about time for you to break out NIU Huskie, spanky? Is NIU_Huskie his MULT? Would've never guessed that one. No. Of course not. spanky's the MULT. |
Author: | spanky [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
NIU_Huskie is somebody that is connected to the university/program somehow. They know way too much about the team and they only pop up around football season. I'm assuming he/she is a 'real' person, not one of the regular poster's mults. Nice deflection tactic though, Dr. Ken. Took this thing immediately away from the area of concern. |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
spanky wrote: NIU_Huskie is somebody that is connected to the university/program somehow. They know way too much about the team and they only pop up around football season. I'm assuming he/she is a 'real' person, not one of the regular poster's mults. Nice deflection tactic though, Dr. Ken. Took this thing immediately away from the area of concern. Not really. NIU is a concern. |
Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
They key for the Illini this year is get out of the gates fast. Success breeds success and of late, the team has been going the opposite way and finding ways to lose. The Missouri game might be ugly but they got to win the next two convincingly against SIU and NIU to have any momentum going into the bye and then coming out to face OSU, Penn State and MSU. If they can eek out 1 or 2 of those 3 and be 3-3 coming into the homestretch, they can be bowl eligible again. |
Author: | spanky [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
Hawkeye Vince wrote: got to win the next two convincingly against SIU and NIU to have any momentum going. |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
Just read this Loren Tate article about the past 10 years or so of Illini QBs. Yikes...bad... Loren Tate wrote: In the decade directly after the late 1990s, when big Walter Young and highly touted Christian Morton arrived to soon discover other positions fit their talents, Illini coaches have granted full scholarships to 15 freshman quarterbacks while also adding transfer Jon Beutjer from Iowa.
Quarterbacks arriving from high school were, in order, Mark Kornfeld, Matt Dlugolecki, Chris Pazan, Tim Brasic, Brad Bower, Billy Garza, Kisan Flakes, Paul Blalock, Juice Williams, Eddie McGee, Phil Haig, Jacob Charest, Scheelhaase and newcomers Chandler Whitmer and Miles Osei. Of the 12 prior to Scheelhaase, eight quit before completing eligibility and two changed positions. You might call that a success rate of 16.7 percent. The only two completing their full eligibility at QB were Brasic and his replacement, Williams. So you'll excuse me if the ballyhoo associated with all prep quarterbacks, and most recruits in all sports, goes in one ear and out the other. |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
Well, I don't think that's exactly uncommon. A lot of teams give players a shot at QB and then if it doesn't work out they move them. Purdue has at a minimum 8 players that they recruited and came in as a QB and it may be as many as 10 of them on the current roster. 3 of them have already switched positions(including WR Keith Smith who has transformed into a potential pro WR). One or two of the others are likely destined for the same. The eight not completing eligibility is a concern though. |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
Well, off the top of my head, Purdue has had Curtis Painter, Kyle Orton, and Drew Brees during that time that I've had to watch Chris Pazan, Tim Brasic, and Brad Bower. So, you can kindly shut the hell up about what is common, Boilerhead. |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
You'll always have Jeff George. |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:22 pm ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: You'll always have Jeff George. Is that why you guys stole Cuonzo Martin? |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:27 pm ] |
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By the way, I saw Purdue was doing some on-line Cradle of Quarterbacks thing for people to vote and they had Jeff George listed. So, you guys still claim him anyway. I wonder if The U claims him too. I know Kam's did. |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:38 pm ] |
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: By the way, I saw Purdue was doing some on-line Cradle of Quarterbacks thing for people to vote and they had Jeff George listed. They do. I don't know why. He's not exactly a popular player. I think they count him in the meaningless but interesting statistic that Purdue QB's have passed for more yards in the NFL than any other school.So, you guys still claim him anyway. I wonder if The U claims him too. I know Kam's did. That was before my time though. I started with the golden age(year) of Purdue football. |
Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:28 pm ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: You'll always have Jeff George. and Jon Beutjer (and no, we don't claim him) |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Illinois Fighting Illini |
Irish Boy wrote: CB Terry Hawthorne, the hero of the clip above, was was a Parade All-American in high school, and his counterpart Tavon Wilson was one of the better defensive backs in the Big Ten last year. Hawthorne is out 4-6 weeks with a stress injury to the foot. Their starting safety, Sanni, is out for the season. Missouri should exploit the thin Illini secondary. I'm thinking the Illini barely win by 14 now. |
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