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Author:  My_name_1s_MUD [ Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Wow
Who would've thunk it?
Author:  NSJ [ Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:11 pm ]
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For today, that afternoon in Wrigley is forgotten.
Author:  RFDC [ Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:16 pm ]
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Beating Illinois isn't really that big of a deal, is it? It isn't like you knocked off Ohio State.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:46 pm ]
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NSJ wrote:
For today, that afternoon in Wrigley is forgotten.


Illinois kicked the crap out of Northwestern in football. Remember?
Author:  NSJ [ Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:07 pm ]
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:lol:

I just remember the pre-game festivities. I'm sure I'll recall those 80 yard runs tomorrow.
Author:  NSJ [ Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:10 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Beating Illinois isn't really that big of a deal, is it? It isn't like you knocked off Ohio State.


I see what you did there. :)
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:59 pm ]
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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
Who would've thunk it?

Iowa winning a road game against anyone in the Big Ten shocked me too.
Author:  My_name_1s_MUD [ Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:47 am ]
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Just saw this... apparently the Illini did not score a single point according to these highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A3YkCoZOmwQ
Author:  Tall Midget [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:23 pm ]
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So does Noisewater finally admit his folly as a Bruce Weber acolyte?
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:16 pm ]
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Tall Midget wrote:
So does Noisewater finally admit his folly as a Bruce Weber acolyte?


I believe the Bruce Weber System is superior to all others and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever convince me otherwise.

I would expect you, of all people, would appreciate that position.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:11 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
So does Noisewater finally admit his folly as a Bruce Weber acolyte?


I believe the Bruce Weber System is superior to all others and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever convince me otherwise.

I would expect you, of all people, would appreciate that position.


:lol:

So who's your pick for the next coach after Weber is relieved of his duties?
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:00 pm ]
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Jeff Fischer
Author:  Tall Midget [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:16 pm ]
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What about getting Lon Kruger back? Is Lou Henson still alive?
Author:  Hawg Ass [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm ]
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Even dead, would Henson be worse? :P
Author:  My_name_1s_MUD [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:34 pm ]
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I'll trade you Carmody.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:42 pm ]
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Tall Midget wrote:
What about getting Lon Kruger back? Is Lou Henson still alive?


I believe they don't need a coach.

They should just have the players come together in a cooperative effort, share the decision making, and do away with an oppresive administrative legacy and go more towards a kind of free association of sorts or a basketball oligarchy led by the workers, I mean players.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:46 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
What about getting Lon Kruger back? Is Lou Henson still alive?


I believe they don't need a coach.


But they don't have a coach. They have Bruce Weber.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:47 pm ]
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Hawg Ass wrote:
Even dead, would Henson be worse? :P


:lol:

No.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:00 pm ]
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Tall Midget wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
Even dead, would Henson be worse? :P


:lol:

No.


:roll:

Lou Henson - 21 seasons

11 20-win seasons
1 Conference championship
2 2nd place finishes


Bruce - 8 seasons

Soon-to-be 7 20 win seasons
2 Conference championships
2 2nd place finishes


Bruce, 2nd winningest coach in Illinois history - behind none other than Bill Self.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:28 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
Even dead, would Henson be worse? :P


:lol:

No.


:roll:

Lou Henson - 21 seasons

11 20-win seasons
1 Conference championship
2 2nd place finishes


Bruce - 8 seasons

Soon-to-be 7 20 win seasons
2 Conference championships
2 2nd place finishes


Bruce, 2nd winningest coach in Illinois history - behind none other than Bill Self.


Are you a former Arthur Andersen employee? You might want to check your math.

If your point is that both Weber and Henson are bad, I agree.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:36 pm ]
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Checked it. Looks good.

Point is Henson - decent to above-average, cool hair.

Weber - better than Henson, more of a hair helmet.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:40 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Checked it. Looks good.

Point is Henson - decent to above-average, cool hair.

Weber - better than Henson, more of a hair helmet.


So your contention is that Weber, who has or will have 7 20-win seasons in 8 years with Illinois, has more wins than Lou Henson, who had 11 20-win seasons at Illinois? And that math looks good to you? You wouldn't by any chance be involved with the mortgage industry, would you?
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:47 pm ]
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win·ning·est   /ˈwɪnɪŋɪst/ Show Spelled
[win-ing-ist] Show IPA

–adjective Informal .
1. winning most often: Bruce Weber.
2. most winning or charming: the winningest smile in town.

Upon taking the court at Illinois, only 1 coach has won more often than Bruce Weber and that would be Bill Self.
Author:  NSJ [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:48 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Bruce, 2nd winningest coach in Illinois history - behind none other than Bill Self.


Doesn't that answer the question . . . When Self left he had been recruiting down to the 8th grade level. Bruce inherited three classes at Illinois, one official recruiting class and four years of underclassman. Total --- 8 years of Self recruited players.

I think next year will be the first true test for this coaching staff as it will be the the first year with no Bill Self recruits.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:51 pm ]
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No, these are all Bruce Weber recruits.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:52 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
win·ning·est   /ˈwɪnɪŋɪst/ Show Spelled
[win-ing-ist] Show IPA

–adjective Informal .
1. winning most often: Bruce Weber.
2. most winning or charming: the winningest smile in town.

Upon taking the court at Illinois, only 1 coach has won more often than Bruce Weber and that would be Bill Self.


I'm not familiar with the definition of winningest you're using. Webster's defines winningest as "having achieved the most wins." I'll have to check OED later, but I think your usage is incorrect.

In any event, NSJ is correct in pointing out that Weber inherited a good team from Self and that the program has slowly declined since Weber has had to rely on his own recruits, even despite the "stellar" recruiting classes of the past two years.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:54 pm ]
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OK. I'm incorrect. 2nd best winning percentage.

NSJ - this year's senior class is the would-be Eric Gordon class. Mike Davis got Gordon's scholarship.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:55 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
No, these are all Bruce Weber recruits.


They certainly are.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:01 pm ]
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I find this year's team to be perplexing. They are a talented group but seem to lack some type of motivation or confidence or combination of the two. I feel that stems mainly from McCamey and Tisdale who are talented but seem to disappear at times, inexplicably. Particularly for McCamey who is potentially one of the best players in the country.

I see nowhere else to point the finger than at Weber. His 4-year attempt to pound some motivation into McCamey seems to have broken him down more than elevated his leadership. The team has taken its cue from its best player and also just shutdown at times. This was supposed to be a stellar season for a talented group and they have no ability to play on the road.

Maybe they will turn it around in the last 8 games but I see no reason to think that they will at this point. They have the talent to beat any team in the country but nowhere near the mentality or drive to match the talent.
Author:  NSJ [ Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:18 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I find this year's team to be perplexing. They are a talented group but seem to lack some type of motivation or confidence or combination of the two.


You know you could say the exact same thing about Michigan State. They look tentative and non-responsive during stretches. And no one is questioning Izzo's coaching skills? Doesn't this just happen with a certain "combination" of players?

You can get some great recruits, but sometimes they just don't gel together. Maybe this is the case for BW?
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