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Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:39 am ]
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Death is not an option.

Hope Cover-Up wins.
Author:  stoneroses86 [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:57 am ]
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I notice that James Lofton is announcing the game on WSCR 670 "The Score."

This is interesting. Is my memory fuzzy, or did James Lofton not have some rape allegation problems while he was playing for Green Bay?

I think the accuser was a grown woman, so I guess it is a totally different situation after all.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:06 pm ]
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Now I hope for a missile strike to hit Creepy Valley.

Ugh.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:49 pm ]
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Odd juxtaposition seeing a child crying in the Penn State crowd because of Paterno firing.
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:52 pm ]
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I am too busy watching the next great QB lead Vandy down the field against Kentucky to watch that mess. Have all the douches been doing the Paterno chant all game?
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:54 pm ]
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Hard to tell.

Plenty of signs professing love for Paterno.

And ESPN is being ESPNy.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:38 pm ]
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
I am too busy watching the next great QB lead Vandy down the field against Kentucky to watch that mess. Have all the douches been doing the Paterno chant all game?

8)
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:40 pm ]
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I hate you both.


And I'm embarrassed I just got this...
Author:  Houston Homer [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:02 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
I hate you both.


And I'm embarrassed I just got this...


I don't get it.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:03 pm ]
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Aaron Rodgers' brother is QB for Vandy.
Author:  Houston Homer [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:09 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Aaron Rodgers' brother is QB for Vandy.


:lol:

Thanks!
Author:  spadaesq1 [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:09 pm ]
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Penn State needs to suspend football operations immediately. This will send a message that there are more important things than football. Players receive full rides for their education for playing football. They will still receive their scholarships and their free education. That's what you attend college for. Only a select few will play in the NFL and the NFL already knows who they are and not playing a few more games will not effect this.
The school deserves to lose all revenue from advertising and a bowl game for their actions or inactions.
Author:  stoneroses86 [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:15 pm ]
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spadaesq1 wrote:
This will send a message that there are more important things than football.

If a person does not already know this, they are probably beyond hope, and the intended message will literally fly far over their mush-filled craniums while they overturn vehicles and scream vulgarities.
Author:  Jbi11s [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:11 pm ]
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It really is so ironic that the week penn st is exposed as a child rape enabling institution they play nebraska... The same state who previously had a similar problem. Circa late 80s... Research... And then shake your head.
Author:  spanky [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:15 pm ]
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spadaesq1 wrote:
Penn State needs to suspend football operations immediately. This will send a message that there are more important things than football. Players receive full rides for their education for playing football. They will still receive their scholarships and their free education. That's what you attend college for. Only a select few will play in the NFL and the NFL already knows who they are and not playing a few more games will not effect this.
The school deserves to lose all revenue from advertising and a bowl game for their actions or inactions.

Great thoughts. Except the players didn't do this, so why do you feel the overwhelming urge to teach them a lesson about why they have a scholarship? That is a strange angle. :scratch:
Also - suspending the program won't stop other pedophiles in the future - because they already have laws in place to make them go to prison, where they are pounded into a pulp by other inmates - so suspending a football program will do exactly zero to deter them.
Suspending the football program accomplishes nothing.
Author:  Jbi11s [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:19 pm ]
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I think canceling the season accomplishes a goal of putting every pedo-ring on notice in this country. Revenue will be lost. Hit them in the pockets. 'Them' being the trustees and alumni who obviously knew what was going for quite some time.
Author:  spanky [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:40 am ]
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Jbi11s wrote:
I think canceling the season accomplishes a goal of putting every pedo-ring on notice in this country. Revenue will be lost. Hit them in the pockets. 'Them' being the trustees and alumni who obviously knew what was going for quite some time.

Cancelling PSU's football season will stop other "pedo-rings" in the country from operating because it will hit PSU in their pocketbook? :scratch: Really?

This is an insane type of logic.......Penn St.'s football program is not generating tens of millions of dollars every year in order to bankroll their underground "pedo-ring". There was a pedophile that was operating within the PSU program, there's a big difference.

I'm not exactly up on my pedophile psychology, but I'm pretty sure they don't do it for the money, do they?
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:22 am ]
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There's a case to be made for the death penalty and it has nothing to do with money or the current players. Several people(at minimum) associated with the football program/athletic department were involved in a cover up of what many people consider the most heinous crime possible. That is the argument to be made.

Or let's put it this way... Penn St. better receive serious sanctions from the ncaa. There is no doubt in the rational mind by now that their athletic department is at total fault for not exposing this earlier. I hope the punishment handed down by the NCAA is both swift and severe, so that it may deter future AD's from trying to cover up a terrible crime in order to preserve the integrity of the university.
Author:  spanky [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:44 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
There's a case to be made for the death penalty and it has nothing to do with money or the current players. Several people(at minimum) associated with the football program/athletic department were involved in a cover up of what many people consider the most heinous crime possible. That is the argument to be made.

Or let's put it this way... Penn St. better receive serious sanctions from the ncaa. There is no doubt in the rational mind by now that their athletic department is at total fault for not exposing this earlier. I hope the punishment handed down by the NCAA is both swift and severe, so that it may deter future AD's from trying to cover up a terrible crime in order to preserve the integrity of the university.

I've said this before, but.....Baylor's coaches and athletic department helped to cover up the murder of a player by another player. They didn't receive the death penalty. What makes this different?
Author:  Jbi11s [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:51 am ]
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spanky wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
There's a case to be made for the death penalty and it has nothing to do with money or the current players. Several people(at minimum) associated with the football program/athletic department were involved in a cover up of what many people consider the most heinous crime possible. That is the argument to be made.

Or let's put it this way... Penn St. better receive serious sanctions from the ncaa. There is no doubt in the rational mind by now that their athletic department is at total fault for not exposing this earlier. I hope the punishment handed down by the NCAA is both swift and severe, so that it may deter future AD's from trying to cover up a terrible crime in order to preserve the integrity of the university.

I've said this before, but.....Baylor's coaches and athletic department helped to cover up the murder of a player by another player. They didn't receive the death penalty. What makes this different?

Maybe the fact this conspiracy may reach many dif levels of society outside of the athletic department makes It mpre transcendent than a diagnosed psychotic being taken off his meds and then murdering his teammate. Not to minimize the baylor situation, but this current scandal is historically evil... We don't even know close to half the info and most people want to turn away out of disgust.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:53 am ]
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Maybe they treat it differently because it went beyond the athletic department all the way to the University President?

I had a conversation with my dad about all this and he seemed to think it was possible the entire University shuts down? I told him he's crazy.

That won't happen right?
Author:  Jbi11s [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:55 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Maybe they treat it differently because it went beyond the athletic department all the way to the University President?

I had a conversation with my dad about all this and he seemed to think it was possible the entire University shuts down? I told him he's crazy.

That won't happen right?

No that's not possible. Too much chaos just shutting it down and telling all those kids/employees to gtfo... Psycory needs to work mang!
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:57 am ]
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Whew.

I was worried I was missing something.
Author:  Psycory [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:54 am ]
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Jbi11s wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Maybe they treat it differently because it went beyond the athletic department all the way to the University President?

I had a conversation with my dad about all this and he seemed to think it was possible the entire University shuts down? I told him he's crazy.

That won't happen right?

No that's not possible. Too much chaos just shutting it down and telling all those kids/employees to gtfo... Psycory needs to work mang!

Not just that but the economic impact to the state would be catastrophic. Allomost every count has a psu campus and they are usually a big employer in the county (my campus is the second or third highest employer in my county)...which is also why the football program will not be shut down. the economic impact, not just to psu but to state college's local business would be deadly.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:36 am ]
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His reasoning was would the State and Federal government continue to fund the school if it ends up that that money needs to be used to pay off the lawsuits that will come.

I didn't think that was likely.
Author:  bigfan [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:31 am ]
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spadaesq1 wrote:
Penn State needs to suspend football operations immediately. This will send a message that there are more important things than football. Players receive full rides for their education for playing football. They will still receive their scholarships and their free education. That's what you attend college for. Only a select few will play in the NFL and the NFL already knows who they are and not playing a few more games will not effect this.
The school deserves to lose all revenue from advertising and a bowl game for their actions or inactions.


I agree with your first statement,

but it has nothing to do with sending any message or any lessons or punishments, it's just because they need to fire everyone because everyone knew about this.

So before they can really start again they need to get rid of the scum like the existing interim coach.
Author:  Psycory [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:23 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
His reasoning was would the State and Federal government continue to fund the school if it ends up that that money needs to be used to pay off the lawsuits that will come.

I didn't think that was likely.

well, here's some information for you on that thought: Penn State is a private school, not a public state run institution. We only get about 6% of our yearly budget from the state and that is used almost exclusively to keep the cost of tuition low for in state students. So the state would not have to pay off any lawsuits from this case.
Now, I can see the state cutting the money that they give the institution (our governor tried to cut the state funding to ALL colleges and universities last year to 0, but Spanier went to Harrisburg and explained why that was a bad idea...and thus it was only cut by 33%) due to the scandal but all that would do is hurt the in state tution costs.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:37 pm ]
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Thanks for the info psycory.

Now when I see him later I'll have facts to shoot down his wild theories.
Author:  Psycory [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:25 pm ]
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No problem, I was surprised when I came here and learned that Penn State is private, which explains why the tuition is so much higher than what you see at a public school. Now one concern that everyone has here is that this will affect the number of incoming students next year (who wants to go to pedophilia state?) and b/c our budget is almost entirely based on tuition that could cause a problem (my campus should be okay b/c it caters primarily to local students who don't want to leave for school).
...Except, that people in Pennsylvania are weird. Charlie from It's Always Sunny is pretty accurate in that he had never left Philadelphia before. When I went to orientation for new faculty we found out my favorite fact about the state: more people live and die in Pennsylvania and NEVER leave the state than any other state in the union. Heck, I've had students who have NEVER left the county my campus is in. While that may not seem too weird if you live in Chicago, the county I live in is incredibly economically depressed and has nothing for young people to do.
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