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Counting the 2 wins that he has. I think it would be an upset if Beckman won 6 games in his first 3 years.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Counting the 2 wins that he has. I think it would be an upset if Beckman won 6 games in his first 3 years.

This statement makes it sound as if you believe he would have more than those 3 years :shock:

spanky wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Counting the 2 wins that he has. I think it would be an upset if Beckman won 6 games in his first 3 years.

This statement makes it sound as if you believe he would have more than those 3 years :shock:

He might.

I think the only way he doesn't get 4 years is if Thomas is fired first.

As I think Groce might be pretty decent, that would probably be enough for Thomas to keep his job for a while. In which case, Beckman is here for a while.

A good NIU team would probably finish 12th in a 13-team Big Ten this year. I'll give you that.

He's got a 5-year / $9 million deal.

Don't worry Doc, you guys will still beat Indiana this year

RFDC wrote:

Don't worry Doc, you guys will still beat Indiana this year

I don't see it. They're every bit as bad as they were in the first 2 Zook seasons and they have much more talent than those teams had.

I can only assume you haven't yet seen an Illini game this season and for that I envy you.

Illinois should have hired Mike Leach.

As I think Groce might be pretty decent,

Maybe, but will he really be better than Weber? It just seems to me like they replaced Bruce with a new version.

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Maybe, but will he really be better than Weber? It just seems to me like they replaced Bruce with a new version.

No, he's nothing like Bruce. I don't know what kind of coach he'll be but he's already gotten rave reviews on his recruiting from coaches, AAU and high school. Said they've never seen such energy and excitement from a group like him and his staff.

People in the administration offices say he's more like Bill Self in his ability to talk to anybody like he's their best friend.

He really had no chance to do much this year, recruiting-wise.

But, I've been impressed with his ability to make an impact on guys in a few short months. He didn't get all those (although there's the Mayes kid coming up in a couple weeks) but sounds like he will start to get them. The Public League guy he got to replace Chew has been viewed as a real solid guy as well.

Bobby Petrino or Butch Davis COME ON DOWN! Any other disgraced coaches need a job? Hire them, too.

I just wonder if Groce is going to be a guy looking for what he may see as the next step up if he has success in Champaign.

Illinois is not a destination job.

Author:	Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:02 am ]
Post subject:	Illinois Football Sucks - Fire Tim Beckman in a Positive Way
...and begin to rebuild the rebuilding project. Just want to go on record that the Illini are about to go on an historic run of awfulness. They will lose the next 6 games. They will likely beat SIU next year before losing every game after that. I see it playing out like this - 0-6 the rest of 2012. 2013 Illinois Football Schedule Aug. 31 Southern Illinois W Sept. 7 Cincinnati L Sept. 14 vs. Washington L Sept. 21 Open W Sept. 28 Miami (OH) (Dad's Day) L Oct. 5 at Nebraska L Oct. 12 Open GLORIOUS Oct. 19 Wisconsin L Oct. 26 Michigan State (Homecoming) L Nov. 2 at Penn State L Nov. 9 at Indiana L Nov. 16 Ohio State L Nov. 23 at Purdue L Nov. 30 Northwestern L Dec. 7 Big Ten Championship Game 2014 Illinois Football Schedule Two non-conference games TBA Aug. 30 Youngstown State W Sept. 6 TBA L Sept. 13 at Washington L Sept. 20 TBA Sept. 27 TBA Oct. 4 at Michigan State L Oct. 11 Indiana (Homecoming) TIE Oct. 18 Nebraska L Oct. 25 at Wisconsin L Nov. 1 TBA Nov. 8 at Ohio State L x 2 Nov. 15 Purdue (Dad's Day) L Nov. 22 Penn State W Nov. 29 at Northwestern L Dec. 6 Big Ten Championship Game 2015 Illinois Football Schedule Two non-conference games TBA Sept. 5 Western Illinois W Sept. 12 Kent State W A STREAK! Sept. 19 TBA Sept. 26 TBA Oct. 3 at Penn State W Oct. 10 at Indiana L Oct. 17 Wisconsin L Oct. 24 Michigan L Oct. 31 at Iowa L Nov. 7 TBA Nov. 14 Ohio State L Nov. 21 at Purdue L Nov. 28 Northwestern L Dec. 5 Big Ten Championship Game

Author:	KDdidit [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:05 am ]
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It's bad when it makes the Jerry Kill hire look good.

Author:	Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:21 am ]
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Counting the 2 wins that he has. I think it would be an upset if Beckman won 6 games in his first 3 years. I have them at 5 unless they schedule just some absolute cupcakes in those Open dates but I don't think there is such a thing as a cupcake for a Beckman Illinois team.

Author:	spanky [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:11 pm ]
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This is best evidence you've ever presented. You're right, there is now way NIU could compete.

Author:	spanky [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:14 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Counting the 2 wins that he has. I think it would be an upset if Beckman won 6 games in his first 3 years. This statement makes it sound as if you believe he would have more than those 3 years

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Author:	spanky [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:31 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: spanky wrote: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Counting the 2 wins that he has. I think it would be an upset if Beckman won 6 games in his first 3 years. This statement makes it sound as if you believe he would have more than those 3 years He might. I think the only way he doesn't get 4 years is if Thomas is fired first. As I think Groce might be pretty decent, that would probably be enough for Thomas to keep his job for a while. In which case, Beckman is here for a while. If, for any reason at all, he gets another year after only 5-6 wins in 3 years - Illinois fans should riot in the streets. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: A good NIU team would probably finish 12th in a 13-team Big Ten this year. I'll give you that. 7th, at worst. Probably better.

Author:	My_name_1s_MUD [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:33 pm ]
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You either let people go in year 4 of a 5 year deal or you extend. No one with a less-than-one year contract is gonna be able to recruit.

Author:	Hawkeye Vince [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:36 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: He's got a 5-year / $9 million deal. That's small potatoes for a big school. You could dump him after year two and still only have under 6 to make him go away. Ron Zook got 2.6 to go away and that's off the books. Weber got 3.9 (paid over 3 years).

Author:	SomeGuy [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:42 pm ]
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Illinois is dwelling in the purgatory of college sports.

Author:	KDdidit [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:45 pm ]
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Shit, fire the next guy too and save yourself the trouble.

Author:	RFDC [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:49 pm ]
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Don't worry Doc, you guys will still beat Indiana this year

Author:	RFDC [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:13 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: RFDC wrote: Don't worry Doc, you guys will still beat Indiana this year I don't see it. They're every bit as bad as they were in the first 2 Zook seasons and they have much more talent than those teams had. I can only assume you haven't yet seen an Illini game this season and for that I envy you. You are right, I haven't. But I have watched IU and I have no confidence in them beating anyone right now. Guess one of us will be pleasantly surprised.

Author:	My_name_1s_MUD [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:26 pm ]
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You know Chicago's Big Ten Team still needs fans. All willing and able bodies will fit nicely into the highschool bleachers up in Evanston.

Author:	Scorehead [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:28 pm ]
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Illinois should have hired Mike Leach.

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Author:	Regular Reader [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:37 pm ]
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Scorehead wrote: Illinois should have hired Mike Leach. IIRC, he wouldn't even stoop(squat?) to an Illinois interview.

Author:	Rod [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:54 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: As I think Groce might be pretty decent, Maybe, but will he really be better than Weber? It just seems to me like they replaced Bruce with a new version. And at least Zook could recruit. Now they're just running different shitty schemes with lesser players.

Author:	Rod [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:03 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Maybe, but will he really be better than Weber? It just seems to me like they replaced Bruce with a new version. No, he's nothing like Bruce. I don't know what kind of coach he'll be but he's already gotten rave reviews on his recruiting from coaches, AAU and high school. Said they've never seen such energy and excitement from a group like him and his staff. People in the administration offices say he's more like Bill Self in his ability to talk to anybody like he's their best friend. Yeah, I've read that too, but I need to see more than Kendrick Nunn before I'm sold. I guess it's a start.

Author:	Rod [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:19 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: He really had no chance to do much this year, recruiting-wise. But, I've been impressed with his ability to make an impact on guys in a few short months. He didn't get all those (although there's the Mayes kid coming up in a couple weeks) but sounds like he will start to get them. The Public League guy he got to replace Chew has been viewed as a real solid guy as well. Did you not like Bruce? I think Bruce was a good fit for Illinois. And he had good success. I believe he was unfairly maligned, but he did seem to lose his team last season. In the end that cost him his job, although I think Thomas wanted his own man anyway. I just wonder if Groce is going to be a guy looking for what he may see as the next step up if he has success in Champaign.

Author:	Big Chicagoan [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:09 pm ]
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Bobby Petrino or Butch Davis COME ON DOWN! Any other disgraced coaches need a job? Hire them, too.

Author:	Scorehead [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:34 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote: Bobby Petrino or Butch Davis COME ON DOWN! Any other disgraced coaches need a job? Hire them, too. I would take Petrino tomorrow over the stooge they hired.

Author:	RFDC [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:37 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I just wonder if Groce is going to be a guy looking for what he may see as the next step up if he has success in Champaign. Is there really any doubt that he would? Illinois is not a destination job. It is a step towards one.

Author:	312player [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:57 pm ]
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I would call Kansas a destination job...even though Roy split......Weber was content to stay, Illinois is a destination job for some guys..just not elite coaches.