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Author: | bigfan [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:20 am ] |
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If you took the top 8 teams and put them in a playoff today, is ND where you are putting your cash? |
Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:24 am ] |
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Second to Alabama. We'll see in 7 weeks or so. |
Author: | spanky [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:27 am ] |
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FavreFan wrote: Second to Alabama. We'll see in 7 weeks or so. Top 2 for sure. There is a drop off after #2. Alabama is a good team, but they don't look as strong as they did last year. Both were 1-loss teams. |
Author: | spanky [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:29 am ] |
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bigfan wrote: If you took the top 8 teams and put them in a playoff today, is ND where you are putting your cash? Back to the original question - teams #5-#8 probably don't matter. Bama, ND, UGA and Oregon. That's the legit Big Dogs. edit: not in that order: UGA is clear #4. |
Author: | JORR [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Real #1? |
Notre Dame would probably be favored vs. Oregon at a neutral site. I sure wouldn't be betting the Irish. And we're going to get a chance to see how much better Alabama is. |
Author: | KDdidit [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:06 am ] |
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Who can even say since there's 5 weeks between games. Golson's a completely different qb from the start of the year. |
Author: | RFDC [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:09 am ] |
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FavreFan wrote: Second to Alabama. We'll see in 7 weeks or so. Agreed. I think Bama is the best team in the country, and I really really hope they come out flat in the SEC title game and Georgia beats them. Saban with those weeks to prepare scares me. And Kelly worries me. Some of his calls still make no sense to me. Get all the way to the goal line with your big RBs and then you go empy and either do a QB draw or pass the ball? Stupid. That kind of stuff will not fly vs. Bama. The team that I am sick of hearing about is Florida. I saw all kinds of whining last night on twitter about the fact that ND does not belong and Florida does. Look, you lost, get over it, and any team that barely gets by Missouri at home this year does not deserve to be in the National Championship. |
Author: | JORR [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:14 am ] |
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I think I would also like LSU vs. Notre Dame. |
Author: | KDdidit [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:38 am ] |
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RFDC wrote: The team that I am sick of hearing about is Florida. I saw all kinds of whining last night on twitter about the fact that ND does not belong and Florida does. Look, you lost, get over it, and any team that barely gets by Missouri at home this year does not deserve to be in the National Championship. Well any team that barely beat Pitt in 3OT probably doesn't deserve it either, but when you're undefeated and had a reasonable schedule you sure deserve it over any 1 loss team. |
Author: | RFDC [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:29 pm ] |
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KDdidit wrote: RFDC wrote: The team that I am sick of hearing about is Florida. I saw all kinds of whining last night on twitter about the fact that ND does not belong and Florida does. Look, you lost, get over it, and any team that barely gets by Missouri at home this year does not deserve to be in the National Championship. Well any team that barely beat Pitt in 3OT probably doesn't deserve it either, but when you're undefeated and had a reasonable schedule you sure deserve it over any 1 loss team. Oh I agree, but the one loss makes the difference. |
Author: | Colonel Angus [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:08 pm ] |
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Ohio St. should play ND for the National Title. Wait, they can't, because they got caught being crooked! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | RFDC [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:51 pm ] |
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Good stuff here from Pat Forde http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--sec ... 48035.html Quote: Let's say this up front: The Southeastern Conference has earned its towering superiority complex.
The smugness is based on fact, the arrogance grounded in truth. The proof is in the hardware, and six consecutive crystal footballs don't lie. It is the best college football conference in the land. But occasionally arrogance leads to blindness, or at least severe myopia. And for all the SEC elitists guaranteeing a blowout by whoever wins its league against Notre Dame in the BCS championship game, I'm here to offer an eye test. Look at the facts, get over the regional bias and acknowledge that someone outside of Dixie might actually be good at football. My friend Clay Travis, who runs the excellent SEC blog, "Outkick the Coverage," was the voice of SEC arrogance Sunday morning on Twitter. Quoth Clay: "Notre Dame will be destroyed by either Alabama or Georgia. Seventh best team in SEC. At best." Let me repeat that I'm a fan of Clay's and enjoy his work, but this is ridiculous. Notre Dame may indeed lose the national title game, but I don't foresee a blowout and an Irish victory would not be an outlandish outcome (especially if the opponent is Georgia). And anyone who believes Notre Dame would be the seventh-best team in the SEC needs to get out more. The gist of this argument is that the Irish could not have played anywhere near the schedule of an SEC team. Unfortunately, it's completely false. Here's the reality, stacking all 12 games on the Irish ledger alongside Alabama's and Georgia's and using the Sagarin Ratings as a measuring stick: Best opponent played: Notre Dame hosted Stanford (eighth in Sagarin), Alabama hosted Texas A&M (seventh), Georgia played Florida (fourth) at a neutral site. The Irish and Bulldogs both won close games. The Crimson Tide lost at home. Most impressive of the three: Georgia. Second-best opponent: Notre Dame visited Oklahoma (ninth). Alabama visited LSU (11th). Georgia visited South Carolina (10th). The Irish won by 17 points, the Tide won by four in the final minute, the Bulldogs lost by four touchdowns. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame. Third-best opponent: Notre Dame played USC (16th) on the road, never trailed and won by nine. Alabama played Michigan (20th) at a neutral site, never trailed and won by 27. Georgia hosted Vanderbilt (29th) and won by 45. Most impressive of the three: Alabama. Fourth-best opponent: Notre Dame played Michigan (20th) at home and won by a touchdown. Alabama played Mississippi (33rd) on the road and won by 19. Georgia hosted Mississippi (33rd) and won by 27. All three won. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame. Fifth-best opponent: Notre Dame hosted BYU (37th) and won by three. Alabama hosted Mississippi State (36th) and won by 31. Georgia visited Missouri (43rd) and won by 21. All three won. Most impressive of the three: Alabama. Sixth-best opponent: Notre Dame visited Michigan State (39th) and won by 17. Alabama visited Missouri (43rd) and won by 32. Georgia visited Tennessee (54th) and won by seven. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame. Seventh-best opponent: Notre Dame played Miami (52nd) on a neutral field and won by 38. Alabama visited Tennessee (54th) and won by 31. Georgia hosted Georgia Tech (63rd) and won by 32. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame. Eighth-best opponent: Notre Dame hosted Purdue (62nd) and won by three. Alabama visited Arkansas (65th) and won by 49. Georgia visited Auburn (84th) and won by 38. Most impressive of the three: Alabama. Ninth-best opponent: Notre Dame hosted Pittsburgh (66th) and won by three in triple overtime. Alabama hosted Western Kentucky (82nd) and won by 35. Georgia visited Kentucky (92nd) and won by five. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame. Tenth-best opponent: Notre Dame played Navy (73rd) at a neutral site and won by 40. Alabama hosted Auburn (84th) and won by 49. Georgia hosted Georgia Southern (99th) and won by 31. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame. Eleventh-best opponent: Notre Dame hosted Wake Forest (113th) and won by 38. Alabama hosted Florida Atlantic (127th) and won by 33. Georgia hosted Florida Atlantic (127th) and won by 36. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame. Worst opponent: Notre Dame visited Boston College (121st) and won by 15. Alabama hosted Western Carolina (204th) and won by 49. Georgia hosted Buffalo (135th) and won by 22. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame. Eight times out of 12, the Irish have had the most impressive performance when assessing comparable opponents. Notre Dame is 2-0 against the Sagarin top 10, whereas Alabama is 0-1 and Georgia is 1-1. Notre Dame is 4-0 against the Sagarin top 20, whereas Alabama is 2-1 and Georgia is 1-1. So don't say the Irish haven't been seasoned by a schedule every bit as difficult – no, more difficult – than the SEC top dogs. And they've had far fewer games where they just had to show up to win. Five of Georgia's 11 victories are over objectively terrible opponents – teams ranked 80th or lower nationally by Sagarin. Alabama has four victories over teams ranked 80th or lower. Notre Dame only two. A lot of people point to the Irish vulnerability against the likes of Purdue and Pittsburgh as evidence they are Not SEC Tough. But Georgia fans who white-knuckled through scary wins over Tennessee or Kentucky – two teams so disappointing they fired their coaches – know that a good team can struggle on a given Saturday. Alabama is the only one of the three to dispatch overmatched opponents without a peep of protest. The myth perpetuated by SEC fans is that every week is such a bloodbath, nobody from outside the league could withstand the grind. Yet in the month of November, the average Sagarin rating of Georgia's opponents was 70th. After opening against Michigan, Alabama didn't play anyone in Sagarin's top 30 for the next seven games. Notre Dame didn't go more than three straight games without playing a Sagarin top 20 team. It's easy to say the Irish can't match up with the SEC, not as easy to prove. The ultimate proof will be on the field Jan. 7, but until then SEC fans would be wise to tone down the towering arrogance. |
Author: | 312player [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:54 pm ] |
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I wish Ohio st was eligible so they could get embarrassed ...they have beat nobody and are not even a top 20 team imo. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:31 am ] |
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bigfan wrote: If you took the top 8 teams and put them in a playoff today, is ND where you are putting your cash? I will most likely be making a large play on Alabama when the opportunity presents itself. I would take ND against Oregon in a game I think should be a pickem but would likely be Oregon giving 3. ND would own Georgia and the rest of them. No one folds worse than UGA QB Murray against good competition. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:38 pm ] |
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Dumb question.... Do the idiots from the '72 Dolphins care if a college team runs the table? |
Author: | spanky [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:40 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Dumb question.... Do the idiots from the '72 Dolphins care if a college team runs the table? You forgot to log in as Mini Ditka. |
Author: | Gloopan Kuratz [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:42 pm ] |
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bigfan wrote: If you took the top 8 teams and put them in a playoff today, is ND where you are putting your cash? Before this week, Stanford was #8. If there were an 8 team playoff, I don't think the Irish could beat Stanford again. |
Author: | spanky [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:12 pm ] |
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Gloopan Kuratz wrote: bigfan wrote: If you took the top 8 teams and put them in a playoff today, is ND where you are putting your cash? If there were an 8 team playoff, I don't think the Irish could beat Stanford again. Good thing they don't to, but you don't think they "could"? I think any of the 8 teams could beat each other. Nobody is that dominant this year. But one team has the hardest schedule according to the computers (at least they were before this week, not sure if thats still true but I assume it is) and that's the same team that is the only team left that's undefeated. It's really pretty hard to make a case that ND shouldn't be in Miami. |
Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:33 pm ] |
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312player wrote: I wish Ohio st was eligible so they could get embarrassed ...they have beat nobody and are not even a top 20 team imo. I don't think anyone other than small slice of Buck fans believe Ohio State would be a legit national contender if they weren't banned. But going undefeated in a rebuilding year is pretty great. The battle for 2nd place in the Big Ten should be entertaining to watch the next 10 years. |
Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:36 pm ] |
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spanky wrote: It's really pretty hard to make a case that ND shouldn't be in Miami. Has anyone anywhere tried to make such a case? Maybe they whine about it a little in the SEC, but they sure as hell understand why it's the way it is and they can't really argue about it. |
Author: | spanky [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:43 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: spanky wrote: It's really pretty hard to make a case that ND shouldn't be in Miami. Has anyone anywhere tried to make such a case? Maybe they whine about it a little in the SEC, but they sure as hell understand why it's the way it is and they can't really argue about it. Yes. I've heard many people say this about ND. Haven't you? |
Author: | bigfan [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:45 pm ] |
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ND Strength of schedule ranked #25 Signature win was v #11 ranked Oklahoma... Outplayed and should have lost to Pitt, if a kid makes a 27 yard FG Maybe a better win was v Stanford? USC lost 4 of last 5, unranked, played against backup QB. All that said, I have been impressed with the speed of their team defense, definitely keeps them in games. |
Author: | Hawg Ass [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:46 pm ] |
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spanky wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: spanky wrote: It's really pretty hard to make a case that ND shouldn't be in Miami. Has anyone anywhere tried to make such a case? Maybe they whine about it a little in the SEC, but they sure as hell understand why it's the way it is and they can't really argue about it. Yes. I've heard many people say this about ND. Haven't you? I personally have not heard anybody, and I am pretty big SEC fan. That would be lunacy to argue the point. The SEC has their semi-final game on Saturday. |
Author: | Gloopan Kuratz [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:47 pm ] |
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The Irish are good enough to be in every game they play, but if Alabama whipped the shit out of them would it really be a surprise? |
Author: | JORR [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:49 pm ] |
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spanky wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: spanky wrote: It's really pretty hard to make a case that ND shouldn't be in Miami. Has anyone anywhere tried to make such a case? Maybe they whine about it a little in the SEC, but they sure as hell understand why it's the way it is and they can't really argue about it. Yes. I've heard many people say this about ND. Haven't you? No, not really. I mean, there are lots of people that just hate Notre Dame. They may not like that they're playing for the championship, but I don't think anyone can make a reasonable argument that they shouldn't be. If they were playing LSU, I'd bet LSU on the money line. I think LSU is a better team. But I don't see how you could make a case that they or Oregon or whoever should be playing for the championship over the Irish. |
Author: | Hawg Ass [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:49 pm ] |
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Gloopan Kuratz wrote: The Irish are good enough to be in every game they play, but if Alabama whipped the shit out of them would it really be a surprise? Not to me. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:53 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: spanky wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: spanky wrote: It's really pretty hard to make a case that ND shouldn't be in Miami. Has anyone anywhere tried to make such a case? Maybe they whine about it a little in the SEC, but they sure as hell understand why it's the way it is and they can't really argue about it. Yes. I've heard many people say this about ND. Haven't you? No, not really. Me either. I dont think I have heard one person claim ND shouldn't be playing for the title. |
Author: | spanky [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:55 pm ] |
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bigfan wrote: All that said, I have been impressed with the speed of their team defense, definitely keeps them in games. It probably won't happen, but they potentially could have beaten the conference champions of the PAC and the Big 12 this year. Hawg Ass wrote: I personally have not heard anybody, and I am pretty big SEC fan. That would be lunacy to argue the point. The SEC has their semi-final game on Saturday. It's mostly the ND haters that say they don't belong. I was at a gathering of people on Sunday that I swear, I was the only guy watching the Bears game that doesn't think ND gets blown out by whoever they face and many said they shouldn't be there. Gloopan Kuratz wrote: The Irish are good enough to be in every game they play, but if Alabama whipped the shit out of them would it really be a surprise? Yes, I'd be surprised if they got blown out. They have the best defensive team in the country. They may not win, but they'd be in the game. |
Author: | Chris_in_joliet [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:00 pm ] |
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spanky wrote: bigfan wrote: All that said, I have been impressed with the speed of their team defense, definitely keeps them in games. It probably won't happen, but they potentially could have beaten the conference champions of the PAC and the Big 12 this year. Hawg Ass wrote: I personally have not heard anybody, and I am pretty big SEC fan. That would be lunacy to argue the point. The SEC has their semi-final game on Saturday. It's mostly the ND haters that say they don't belong. I was at a gathering of people on Sunday that I swear, I was the only guy watching the Bears game that doesn't think ND gets blown out by whoever they face and many said they shouldn't be there. Gloopan Kuratz wrote: The Irish are good enough to be in every game they play, but if Alabama whipped the shit out of them would it really be a surprise? Yes, I'd be surprised if they got blown out. They have the best defensive team in the country. They may not win, but they'd be in the game. These people sound like a bunch of dipshits. |
Author: | Brick [ Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:02 pm ] |
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There is a good case that Alabama or Georgia will blow out any team they play. Notre Dame is still the most deserving to go and play them. I'll be shocked if Notre Dame is within 14 points of Alabama, and 10 points of Georgia. |
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