You're right.

Friday the 13th on NES is the same as Grand Theft Auto. My bad.

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Glad you are catching on.

The 8 bit Nintendo had virtually no competition. That's why every type of game ended up there.

It's like saying that network television used to have the most adult themed content but they don't any more. That was because network television used to be all that existed.

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Absolutely correct. They had no other competition, so they essentially could field any titles they wanted and people would purchase the titles. At some point, however, competition came into the mix and Nintendo went away from "hardcore games" and focused more on family-friendly titles.

This obviously worked for a bit as Nintendo was dominating sales of the Wii in comparison to XBox and PS3 for a period. But, everything eventually evens out.

The Wii is still dominant in sales if this site is to be believed. http://www.vgchartz.com/

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I'm sure it is. But the original question was what I was hoping for in the new Nintendo console. Unforunately I doubt it will be able to provide that hardcore gaming experience. Time will tell, of course.

I will and so will most of the people I know that bought a Wii and an Xbox. I'm also not certain that you'll see both of those in 2013. Xbox may get there in November of 2013 but that's still up to 1.5 years later. If anything, I'll wait until 2014 to buy the xbox 720 and just buy more games for cheap on the 360.

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XBox 420?

Nintendo used to rule in the graphics department. The N64 was way ahead of the competition. Ever since, though, they've really dropped the fucking ball technologically.

The cart format killed it.

It had power but those textures still suck.

I don't know if I believe that. Nintendo isn't that stupid. It's not like they are inventing the technology. They are just choosing hardware to maximize the cost to power ratio. You'd think that xbox level quality hardware would be cheap enough to allow the Wii U to at least be better than that.

I'll still buy the whole thing for mario kart though so I guess I don't really care.

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Absolutely. Have they actually announced MK yet for the new system? I know they just made one for the 3DS, but I wasn't interested in that. I still play MK Wii online almost daily. Rick, what's your VR? Oh and if you've ever seen someone racing with an Orton#8 mii, that was me (seriously)!

I think we'd realize by now that Nintendo really doesn't give a shit about graphics and, based on how the last cycle went, I can't really blame them...

They said they did, but I'd think this offering will prove that such a claim was only lip service...

I know they're going to have madden on this. I hope they for that, they take advantage of the touch screen for playcalling/audibles. I heard Nintendo has no intent on making people have more than one controller w/ the touchscreen (multiple players would use wiimotes), but I feel for certain games, they need to use the real controller, w/o wiifuckedupcontrols.

I've actually never played an online game on the Wii. I just love playing Mariokart, and other games, with my wife and other friends.

I play my xbox more, but I consider the Wii still to be more fun.

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Oh Rick, I was once like you, then I tried online once just for the hell of it. I can't recommend it enough. If you love MK, you've got to play it online. Unless you fear getting addicted to it. It's a thing.

You are reading way too much into this article.

Nowhere does it say that it won't be as powerful as the 360 or the PS3.

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How expensive is an xbox right now?

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Will it have a Blu-Ray?
Will it be fully HD capable?
Will it not be hamstrung by a wacked-out storage "solution"?
Will it have a hard drive?
More robust online service?

I would consider buy a Wii right now but I'm not sure if the 1,000 games I would download off of the Virtual Console store today would be transferable to the Wii U. I remember that the DS couldn't transfer games because they were hardware locked onto it, not on an on-line profile. Same thing with the Wii.

Wrong. See PS3.

Still haven't explained why it will be worse than the xbox or ps3, even though they will be selling it for about $120 more(if the rumors are to be believed) and likely won't contain expensive things like Blu-ray.

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Given that you didn't know that the PS3 has always lost money I'm not going to trust your opinion on this. I knew that and I have very little interest in any playstation product. By the way, Sony also lost money on the PS2 on release. I also believe the xbox 360 lost money on release.

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Well, "always" isn't right on the PS3, they made money on it at some point, but likely aren't making any right now and didn't for most of it.

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I think you're wrong on this. Every console will lose money upon release as it will be subsidized by the real money maker which is game licenses as well as game and peripheral sales. The components used at the beginning of a consoles life are at the highest price point, in general at least. The Ps3 and Xbox were losing money on every console sold for a while until the manufacturing process was improved, chip dies shrank (and in the 360's case, integrated into one an other, kinda cool), component prices dropped and on and on. The 360 has gone through about 4-5 internal configurations and 1 external. The Xbox reached the break even point a few years ago.

And I'd also disagree with the $180 hardware not being able to match current consoles...i'm sure it can. At least if you match up GPU, CPU, RAM. And no, looking off NewEgg for off the shelf components isn't an apples to apples comparison.

How much does a current PS3 cost to make? It was estimated in 2009 that it was about $250. Are you saying they haven't trimmed another $70 off that in 3 years? Also, the $250 number includes the controller, whereas the Wii U is charging it separately. So, it's basically at $230 meaning if you take out the Blu-Ray player or even a dvd player that the Wii U is likely now equal to what the PS3 was in 2009.

Also, you still have yet to explain how the Wii U is worse.

It just wouldn't make sense. Use your common sense. Why would Nintendo claim that they will compete on hardware and release a console that is worse than the xbox 360 or the PS3? That makes no sense. It may not be significantly better and will obviously lack behind the PS4 and the Xbox 720(which is kind of how Nintendo does things).

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Old designs who's redesigns are hampered by an initial design that has it's beginnings around 2000A.D. Each redesign of the console must be able to be compatible with peripherals, older games, downloadable games and this that and the other. So, they are still stuck in a box, so to speak.

Case in point, the original Xbox. No matter what Microsoft did to shrink costs, size etc they were totally hamstrung by their manufacturing contract with Nvidia for their GeForce 3 based GPU. Microsoft bought them as-is and couldn't do the redesign/integration/die shrink on their own. So, the GPU price/size was never able to fall. This is part of the reason Microsoft rushed the release of the Xbox360. Now the Xbox360 has the Xenon/Xenos etc on one single chip.

A clean sheet design based off of current and even older off-the shelf components would be pretty inexpensive. Think about it, the Xenos is loosely based off a Radeon XT1900 which was pretty powerful in 2005.....that was 7 years ago. TSMC is producing 28nm chips sizes now, a lot has changed.

It's pretty clear you don't have a firm grasp of this concept. There is no way that the production costs of any console in 2009 is the exact same as today. Microsoft opened up a new production plant in Brazil that has supposedly slashed production costs by up to 40%. You seem to think that doing that had no benefit.

You just aren't thinking logically because for whatever reason you are invested in being right that the Wii U will be a failure. There is no way that Nintendo will release a console that is worse than an xbox 360. It may not compete well with an xbox 720 but that's not the discussion.

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I only used the word supposedly because it's hard to know how much they saved. They didn't build a new plant in order to keep things the same. Given that the xbox 360 has actually seen some upgrades in hardware I think it's safe to say that they've gotten the costs down even more. Why wouldn't they? With hardware, production costs almost always go down.

That doesn't mean anything. They aren't producing a console at $180 that is worse than a console that was created with $250 3 years ago. You should know enough about hardware to know how ludicrous that would be.

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I'm jumping in the middle of this, so please feel free to tell me if I'm taking this out of context, but are you saying Microsoft and Sony weren't losing money when they sold a 360 or PS3 at launch?

He can't even bring himself to say he was wrong.

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