I've seen clips, just like you. Not the full encounter But I don’t have your biases. I also don't believe that acting like a nut is grounds for death in certain situations like you, Mr. Constitution when you want does. You continue down this road all you want, but there is nothing you can post that will be interesting, honest or remotely credible. Your posts over the last few years have made sure of that for me. Hell you even lied about the guy being violent here, without evidence.

And racism? You have some nerve, everything and everyone you've supported over the past six years has ascribed to white nationalism, like you predictably did here.

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JORR a racist? Not all Effigies fans.

Normally in cases like these the state overcharges someone in an effort to leverage a plea to a lesser charge. The marine was charged with second degree manslaughter. This is low on the list of charges which resulted in death.

Below manslaughter, in terms of seriousness, is criminally negligent homicide.

Reading the definitions of both it seems like he was properly charged. Plenty of wiggle room to secure a finding of not guilty on the manslaughter charge but guilty on negligent homicide.

If I had to place a bet I think he walks away a free man.

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Why should he have to deal with that at all though? The prosecutor's office doesn't have to bring charges. God knows it doesn't in MANY cases where there was actually criminal intent.

Take off your lawyer hat for a minute. Do you think the guy (three guys) who subdued this violent criminal with whom they and other were trapped on public transportation while he made threats should be punished for it? From what you know- and the video is available- would you find him guilty of anything?

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He should face charges and I would likely find him not guilty at trial unless his lawyers really mess up badly.

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JORR, your description of the deceased as a "violent criminal" is retroactively applied - the parties involved didn't know his actual legal history before and while they took him down. This weakens your argument because you're taking things known after the fact and furtively making it appear as if they were known at the time of the incident. If a guy walking down the street is run over by a speeding car, the driver is still criminally liable even if we find out later that the deceased was an active serial killer. Anything less is undermining the concept of rule of law.

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He was, in fact, a violent criminal. But I don't think a person needed to know his history to be frightened by his threats. I mean, come on. We live in a society where calling someone by the "wrong" pronoun is seen as "violence" but a guy standing in a moving subway car threatening people and screaming that he doesn't care if he gets shot is no big deal.

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We are forced to do this because we live in a culture that abhors gray areas. Someone has to win and someone has to lose. We want to see that the world is just.

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This didn't address the point, bro. In no way did I say he was not a violent criminal. I said the parties involved did not know that, so it was irrelevant to their state of mind during the incident. If you're not going to address it then I can only presume you have a problem with the concept of rule of law. So in the driver running over a serial killer while speeding example, where he did not know the deceased was a serial killer, I guess you're fine with declining to press charges. But if he ran over a preschooler then you'd prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. Seems arbitrary.

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You didn’t know he was a habitual criminal until the story broke, correct?

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I wasn't stating it as relevant to the state of mind of the parties involved. I was stating it in opposition to the unwarranted sympathy being expressed by some on this board and in the media.

A driver who happens to run over a serial killer while speeding has still committed a traffic offense. A person who takes action against someone who is threatening to kill him and/or others on a moving train has likely committed no offense at all. And the facts that came to light after the incident just provide more reason not to charge anyone.

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I was just thinking about this the other day, Jordan won't be kneelying for the National Anthem anytime soon, will he

You probably shouldve just kept right on thinking.

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I think that's dangerous in different ways than the eulogies we see in the press though. Your line of thinking could easily justify sympathizing with someone who shot ten people at random, one of whom by chance happened to be a serial killer. If you extend your line of thinking you seem to think the shooter gets 9 murder counts with some of that being offset by his role in unwittingly removing a serial killer from the streets.

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See I thought this joke was right up your alley!

that's a really great point

The marine was a black guy doing the choke hold on a black passenger.


OK, I said it. Now what?

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I don't think that at all. Some drunk guy running over someone with his car who happens to be a serial killer is just a stroke of luck. It doesn't mitigate the driver's crime of drunk driving and vehicular manslaughter.

I don't really understand your point. If a guy dressed like Freddy Kruger is threatening people with a big ass knife on the El and it later comes to light that Freddy has already killed five people, I don't think one would need to be shy in pointing it out. In fact, it's quite relevant if a passenger bashed him over the head because of his threats and he died and a political prosecutor was charging the guy for Freddy's death.

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My main point is the dude's criminal past, whether Neely's or Freddy's, should be irrelevant when discussing the incident. The only relevant info is whatever we know happened leading immediately up to and during the incident. Whether Neely was later found to be a serial killer or a parishioner is irrelevant.



^ I agree with this but I don't think you're applying the same framework to the Neely thing. I know the driver thing and the train thing is not apples to apples, but in both cases a criminal past - whether accurate or not - is irrelevant to judging the conduct of the driver/marine.

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this would be a good time for JLN to make a return

What if it was Joe Mixen? Either the dead guy or the killer.

What if the homeless guy gave him alcohol?

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What exactly should there be a crowdfunding campaign for Jordan Neelys family for ?

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Uh, that society is mostly made up of good people who can tell right from wrong.

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Jordan Neely's family denied him 3 times and then the cock crowed.

Tired: giving a homeless guy some pocket change

Wired: giving a dead homeless guy tens of thousands of dollars

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since Brian Krassenstein is having a fit of Deep Thoughts, what does it say about society that no one would give a living guy enough money for a sandwich but 126K to him when he died?

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