Louisville kind of sucks. It's rundown and feels cheap all the way around. I've also thrown shade on Nashville in the past, but I haven't been there since 2006 and I caught a lot of guff for it, so I'm going to keep my mouth shut this time.

Louisville is objectively a shithole.

I haven’t been in 15 years but I assume the influx of blue staters to Nashville have made it a wealthy, soulless city. That demo is more likely to pump out youth travel baseball teams for kids who can’t swing a bat than support a professional baseball franchise.

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They're already building another stadium for the Titans (the current one is falling apart after 25 years) with $1.25 BILLION in public money and the Grizzlies are looking for public money too. The state can't keep funding billionaires' real estate schemes forever, can they? Either the money runs out or enough shitlibs move in to start voting it down. Nothing about this growth seems sustainable. Tennessee is a parasite.

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It’s not, which is why there is such a rush to get this done now.

2 of those teams playing what they are calling "first MLB game in Tennessee" next year (I could swear there were ST or on the way back from ST Memphis games before? I dunno) on the western border of the Charlotte market and eastern edge of the Nashville mlb market.









Maybe they should switch it up and have the Cubs (local to that area MiLB team a Cubs affiliate) and the potentially future Nashville MLB franchise Chicago White Sox square off on the race-track. They'd have to move it up a couple weekends.


Grizzlies are treated like the local NBA franchise by Nashville radio and tv. I assume any Nashville mlb team would get the same reciprocal treatment from Memphis and Knoxville TV and radio markets.





Bally Sports and Fanduel, a casino operator/sports book and a gambling web-site

If Nashville feels a baseball team would put it on the map, it will find a way to do it. It wouldn't be smart, but rationality and intelligence often don't stand in the way of these things.

Well, the team doesn't really get attendance even when they are good. The only quality attendance numbers came from the World Series bump. I know New York is a bigger population but the Mets outdraw the Sox consistently. There may be reasons why Sox fans don't show up but it's just the reality of the situation. The Cubs won out in terms of fans. It's like the Cardinals leaving Chicago.

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JR was the reason for the dip. The Sox were a bigger draw in this town before he did everything in his power to destroy the fanbase.

I mean, his first move was to fire Harry Cary.

I know he basically made his investors 2.5 billion, so he's a good businessman, but all of his instincts as an owner were terrible. Who knew shitting on fans was a money making business decision? He and Vince Mc Mahon.

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My entire life the Sox have been among, if not the, cheapest ticket in baseball. That’s an interesting way of sticking it to the fans.

but you immediately paid to watch games that were free

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huh? Are you talking about on the TV?

As a whole, every Chicago team besides the Bulls has similarly been tough on fans. The Cubs have mostly been bad to average for 40 years outside of the Theo tankathon run. The Bears have made the playoffs 6 times in 30 years. The Hawks were horribly inept until Dale Tallon delivered us a dynasty and now they are terrible again.

I get that the White Sox, of the 5 major Chicago sports franchises has been the worst performing but in reality it's not that far away from the Cubs or Bears.

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I don't think that's out of any sort of goodwill so much as just a lack of demand.

Reinsdorf--and Eddie Einhorn, patron saint of myopic television contracts--bought the team and were immediately disgusted by everything they saw. It wasn't just Harry and Jimmy, it was Andy the Clown, it was Comiskey Park, it was everything that made the White Sox edgy and different and weird. They wanted the Sox to be some antiseptic Yankee-Dodger hybrid for suburban families but they could never quite pull it off: they didn't make it out to the suburbs, the pay TV crippled them in relation to the free-TV Cubs, everyone bitched about New Comiskey for like 15 years and they still kind of do, and the fanbase never truly gentrified. I really believe Reinsdorf hates Sox fans in a way that goes beyond the baseline contempt that all billionaire sports team owners necessarily have for their customers. And that's how you end up with this bitter, decrepit old man who sits up in his office with Tony La Russa playing Let's Remember Some Guys and smoking while everything falls apart.

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I've spent more time in both cities than I'd care to admit. Nashville is fine in short doses, but the country music playing in the background of every public location (restaurant/bar/hotel lobby/airport...) is very tiresome. Louisville was kind of cool in the 2010's, then was decimated by Covid and became a bit scary. I was there twice in the last 6 moths and it appears to be making a pretty solid comeback. The bourbon craze seems to be driving a renaissance in the downtown. Distilleries and trendy restaurants are popping up everywhere.

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Las Vegas is obviously the ghastliest City As Theme Park in this country but Nashville is a strong 1A at this point. I wish professional sports could be left to dour little dumps like Cincinnati or Hartford while Nashville is content to just be an endless morass of bars, bands, and bar bands.

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Louisville did get hit hard by the protests. There was a lot of shattered storefronts and empty buildings. But that main drag always had a lot of trendy places. Nashville is fun as was said in small doses. Way too crowded to get around.

In terms of their baseball chops, they have incredible teams. The best team we ever played was from Louisville. The lead off guy, the smallest kid on the team, took the first pitch and hit second base on the adjoining field. Every kid crushed any ball in the zone and would not offer at anything out. They had two teams like this in their tournament. It was the year we were a top five team in Illinois and went like 40-8…..

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Have you seen Cincy since they finished the Banks project on the river? They did a nice job…..

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Despite their overall ignorance of the opponents, it appears they do.

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Orlando by a mile.

Nashville is more akin to Austin than anything else, but more commercialized, less techy and kinda gayer. It’s not a bad town, and it’s certainly popular. I would never live there.

Hating on Louisville is dumb for all you people doing it in this thread. I guess maybe the cough destroyed it, but before then it was a lot of fun.

Shut the fuck up. Seriously. You have nothing to say.

Disregard everything this little fuck has to say. He's got the Ogie case of "Everything Illinois is bad." Ogie is actually interesting, though.

No offense.

This was going to die no matter what. The Sox actually stayed weird and goofy a lot longer than anybody did, except the A’s, who are now Officially Dead. This half-hearted attempt to cater to the suburbs is kinda dumb, realistically they are still going right for the core audience with Polish Heritage Night and Union Night (which I swear used to be called Teamsters Night, but maybe I’m misremembering).

But realistically the Sox are keeping the dream alive more than anyone. There’s just only so much you can do these days with ninnies on Xitter and Soxtalk complaining about the perceived injustice of just about anything. I dare anyone to find a franchise still as rooted in its local community as the Sox still are, maybe the Packers but that’s it. It is a fucking miracle they kept Harrelson around as long as they did, he was well into cancellation territory for about a decade but they let him keep trucking on. What can you do when these guys get old and the only people you’ve got replace them are loser nerds like Benetti who they thankfully jettisoned?

It’s not like there’s a big crop of boisterous weird personalities to plug into the broadcast booth. White guys who show an ounce of character are non-starters, the threat of them saying the word burrito or doing a “hero me a sooo chineeezz” accent are just too high. The Sox could put a brother or even a pollock in the booth but Pierzynski doesn’t want it and none of the black former players are interested.

The pay-for cable TV is whatever. The AM radio dial was always free and the games have always been accessible to even the poorest Chicago families. If you want to watch the game “for free” there has been a lot of ways to do it.

I don't think that's technically true--tickets to see the Brewers, Royals, Indians, and a few other teams were usually pretty cheap, too ($4 back in the 90s)--but yeah, they've been cheap.

While I can take three nights in Vegas and two in Nashville, I have no desire to ever step foot in Orlando again. I have never been to downtown Louisville, just some nearby suburbs. Part of me would like to visit Churchill Downs but I am told the whole area is a dump and has always been that way, even before the pandemic.

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The area around Churchill sucks but the Highlands and New Lou are pretty neat.

See Doctor, Poles aren't white guys. So even if all those Jews were actually Poles in sheep's clothing, they weren't white anyway.

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I loved Louisville the 2-3 times I've been there. There is interesting things to do as a tourist. There are parties to be had. I think it's a great secondary town worth a weekend vacation.

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I don't mean the on field performance. No team shows as much disdain for its fans as the White Sox and, like everything with that team, it starts from the top. JR is a weird mix of a humanitarian who hates the common man.

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Half-sidebar: I've had long arguments with my brother-in-law, a die sox white fan, about Comiskey. Says he hates going to games because it's too hard to get to. I can't think of how it could be easier to get to. If we're being honest, it's probably more convenient by rail than Wrigley is because Roosevelt/22nd/35th blows right by as opposed to puttering up the Red Line the other way. And if that's not your thing, it's off a giant expressway. I don't know what some people want.


It would be so Reinsdorf for him to sell the team out from under Chicago while soliciting praise for being the first owner to sell to a minority.

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I went to Louisville pretty regularly between ~15-22. COVID and the Taylor riots nuked that downtown area.

Idk, maybe it’s come back.

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The sorority looking chicks at least could prolly tell an Alabama A from an Arkansas A on some other chick or dude's shirt or cap all the way on the other side of a crowded, dark bar: