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The declining birth rate and the significant drop in abortions and abortion clinics across America say that this isn't true.

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Not a new position, but I wouldn’t care so much about the repeal of Roe if maternity and paternity leave, daycare and/or healthcare was provided.

If you’re making people whose household income doesn’t crack $50,000 per year it’s the least you can do.


You can also teach people how best not to get pregnant and also utilize plan b.

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In the end I am not a strong person on any side. And in my own life who knows what I would do. I really would think it’s great though if they stop late term and partial birth procedures. That doesn’t seem to affect my daughter’s birth control pills.

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It seems like Spaulding and MANY others got spooked by some fringe 9 month abortion advocates, and are in turn A-OK with an abortion ban because of this social media induced paranoia.

This country is losing all semblance of rational thought.

I'm certainly not ok with partial birth abortions. I'm really not ok with the abortion at all, but I am in no place to judge a woman who has had one or is debating having one. Hence, pro choice. Perhaps thats just too deep for Spauling and MANY to undertand.

The biggest problem with this ruling is that red States or certain areas absolutely will use this as a guise to restrict or completely prevent access to birth control and contraceptives. It's just a matter of when and where , not if certain rubes do this.

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Not a new position, but I wouldn’t care so much about the repeal of Roe if maternity and paternity leave, daycare and/or healthcare was provided.

If you’re making people whose household income doesn’t crack $50,000 per year it’s the least you can do.

Go get that $40 billion back and let's talk.


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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

love it!

Is this to say that well-off people dont fuck a lot?

Why do u think this is true that poor people fuck like rabbits?

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Yes somewhere between 15-20 weeks is what every rational US citizen agrees with.

An all out abortion ban is just reactionary evangelical bullshit.

Co-signing this because you’re owning the libs, or you’re too weak to disagree with your “party” is just something I can’t respect.


I don't have a party. I would never want it completely banned. 20 weeks is way too far into development, you are dismembering a baby at that point. I don''t see how anybody would think that's okay. There is nothing about this in owning the libs, it's simplistic to think so.


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I'm certainly not ok with partial birth abortions. I'm really not ok with the abortion at all, but I am in no place to judge a woman who has had one or is debating having one. Hence, pro choice. Perhaps thats just too deep for Spauling and MANY to undertand.

The biggest problem with this ruling is that red States or certain areas absolutely will use this as a guise to restrict or completely prevent access to birth control and contraceptives. It's just a matter of when and where , not if certain rubes do this.


Yes shame on me for thinking it's terrible for somebody to dismember a baby or stab it thru its' skull. It's so shallow of me.

The bigger problem will be the things the states like NY, CA, IL, CO etc will try to push thru.


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An all out abortion ban is just reactionary evangelical bullshit.

No, this is the work of Catholics, which makes the "honoring the founding fathers" angle to their textual readings so strange: the founding fathers would be mortified that those statue-worshiping bog creatures were ever allowed in a school.

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I'm certainly not ok with partial birth abortions. I'm really not ok with the abortion at all, but I am in no place to judge a woman who has had one or is debating having one. Hence, pro choice. Perhaps thats just too deep for Spauling and MANY to undertand.

The biggest problem with this ruling is that red States or certain areas absolutely will use this as a guise to restrict or completely prevent access to birth control and contraceptives. It's just a matter of when and where , not if certain rubes do this.


Yes shame on me for thinking it's terrible for somebody to dismember a baby or stab it thru its' skull. It's so shallow of me.

The bigger problem will be the things the states like NY, CA, IL, CO etc will try to push thru.



I've always been a live-and-let-live kind of person but it should be obvious that the decline and breakdown in our society is at some level due to a reluctance to judge the behavior of others.

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No, this country is still plenty judgmental. We've never outrun our Puritan past. The breakdown has more to do with hoarding of wealth at the very top.

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No, this country is still plenty judgmental. We've never outrun our Puritan past. The breakdown has more to do with hoarding of wealth at the very top.


That's another reason for the breakdown. We were heading toward revolution prior to what they did to The People with COVID policy. And now it's even worse.

The People are realizing that our government is illegitimate. And I don't mean that DRUMPF actually won in 2020 or anything to do with our elections at all really.

We have state governments that shut down Pete's Corner Hardware and allowed Home Depot to remain open. And alleged "Man-of-The-People" Donald Trump didn't do shit about it.

A cop gets stupidly aggressive with a violent criminal and ends up killing him and he is charged with murder and American cities burn. An unarmed woman is shot by a Capitol Police officer and there isn't even an investigation. Justice now depends on your politics.

The People are not stupid. Most of them aren't going to burn a city or even hold a sign on the corner. But they see what's happening. And at some point they're going to be pushed too far.

And now they can't afford gas or groceries and at times it seems the current executive administration is celebrating that. Yeah, we're sitting on a powder keg.

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Okay, but the Republican Party, the party of resource extraction and property ownership, is never going to be a vessel of populist revolution. They're always going to be what they are, no matter how much the culture-war sparks are flying. Three-car-garage dads in Waukesha County will not be the vanguard.

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Okay, but the Republican Party, the party of resource extraction and property ownership, is never going to be a vessel of populist revolution. They're always going to be what they are, no matter how much the culture-war sparks are flying. Three-car-garage dads in Waukesha County will not be the vanguard.



I don't think that has to be true.

People make the mistake of thinking DRUMPF was the "leader" of some movement. Completely false. DRUMPF was just the vessel the movement selected and not because he was perfect or even very good. His election was driven more by economic concerns than by culture wars. Who else was there? Bernie. But the Democrats were more adept at burying him than the Republicans were in burying Trump. And that was really just because no one took Trump seriously. And when they did it was too late. They all got together and buried him the second time.

Trump wasn't elected to be some great reinventor of America. He was just the closest shoe The People could reach to throw into the gears of the machine that was crushing them.

Workers can be politically homeless or they can take control of the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is a non-starter for the working man. In a struggle between workers and Jeff Bezos it's very clear which side Democrats are on.

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Not a new position, but I wouldn’t care so much about the repeal of Roe if maternity and paternity leave, daycare and/or healthcare was provided.

If you’re making people whose household income doesn’t crack $50,000 per year it’s the least you can do.

Go get that $40 billion back and let's talk.


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Why is resource extraction necessarily opposite populism?

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The biggest problem with this ruling is that red States or certain areas absolutely will use this as a guise to restrict or completely prevent access to birth control and contraceptives. It's just a matter of when and where , not if certain rubes do this.


Your guy DarkoDust disagrees and believes it is a "stupid thought" to think otherwise Ballpark


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There will be no serious movement to end contraception. A couple of idiot advocacy groups is not a serious movement. There won't be any legislation. There won't be any cases brought to court. It's a stupid thought. It's more bullshit from people who don't understand what overturning Roe actually means.



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And what I also "know" is that the anti abortion crowd is not going to just stop here. Next up will be the "movement to end contraception" as well.


LOL What a nitwit.

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It kind of reminds me of the debates when the court legislated federally certified gay marriage into existence. Those opposed insisted it was just a starting point for normalizing a parade of horribles - polygamy & pedophilia being the most notable. Those supportive found this ridiculous.

This was a 50 year campaign focused on abortion. It would probably be intellectually consistent for the focus to shift to the substantive due process rights, but only Thomas went that direction (and he’s the oldest, most conservative member of the court). The other 4.5 conservatives didn’t go near his opinion. Both Alito and Justice Devil’s Triangle explicitly rebuked it.

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I've always been a live-and-let-live kind of person but it should be obvious that the decline and breakdown in our society is at some level due to a reluctance to judge the behavior of others.


It shouldn't be a choice at some point and that some point should be real early otherwise what are we doing? We don't allow drowing a baby or throwing it in a dumpster. You can't stab one thru the skull a week after birth. Why not? Women need a choice and we shouldn't judge her for it, why are we taking that away from her? I don't understand the explanation why none of those examples are much different from from aborting a baby in the third trimester for no other reason than it's a woman's choice. If somebody can explain their reasoning beyond I just want to own the libs which doesn't make sense then I'm all ears.


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Why shouldn’t we outlaw contraception?

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Why would we? What's the difference between abstinence and contraception? Should abstinence not be allowed? Is your view point we should all just have indiscriminate sex with anybody and everybody all the time and whatever happens is great? There is nothing wrong with preventing a pregnancy you don't want especially in a committed loving relationship.

There is something always wrong with killing a baby. There is something really wrong with killing a baby in the 3rd trimester. There is something really really wrong with advocating for it, saying it's no big deal, should be a descretionary at any point, or celebrating it.


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So being pro choice means you're automatically pro 30 week abortions?

Talk about being so exasterbaringly stupid...

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So being pro choice means you're automatically pro 30 week abortions?

Talk about being so exasterbaringly stupid...

Spaulding is playing the "I'm pro-choice" but I will incessantly talk like I am pro-no choice strategy. It's a good one.

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in all of nature the mother will kill its child if it feels like it. why are we so special?

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No, this is the work of Catholics, which makes the "honoring the founding fathers" angle to their textual readings so strange: the founding fathers would be mortified that those statue-worshiping bog creatures were ever allowed in a school.




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So being pro choice means you're automatically pro 30 week abortions?

Talk about being so exasterbaringly stupid...

Spaulding is playing the "I'm pro-choice" but I will incessantly talk like I am pro-no choice strategy. It's a good one.

She's like the Matt Nagy of abortion discussion

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