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Secrest, you're out on a limb.
YAC wasn't a tracked NFL stat until 1995. How do you know he led the league during Montana's time with the 49ers?

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Check out the link below. It gives a good explanation on how the West Coast offense operates. Most patterns are under ten yards, and the release time is most effective under 3 seconds. RAC was tracked by teams, long before YAC became an official stat. The offense is predicated upon it. Montana was a great QB who lasted until the 3rd round because of questions about his arm strength.

Pappy says many things that people rip on this board. There is some merit to what he said because for most of his career he played and excelled in that style offense.

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I understand how the offense operates, but I also don't believe that Montana dinked and dunked his way into the Hall.
Sure, he's no Elway. You just make it seem like that every pass that he made traveled less than 10 yards down field.
Several quarterbacks use the West Coast Offense. Brett Favre, for one. I guess he was also a system quarterback.
Some teams used the West Coast scheme instead of a ground-it-out running game -- but both schemes are also supplemented by down-field passes.
So everything he threw was off a flat or slant pattern? Please. Watch the NFL Films tape of Super Bowl XVI will see proof of longer routes, like a Z comeback route to Michael Wilson. It wasn't a go pattern, but it was a dump off either.

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Add some cream cheese to that whine.
The tangent started here, and it will end here.

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I understand how the offense operates, but I also don't believe that Montana dinked and dunked his way into the Hall.
No one ever said that he dinked and dunked his way into the Hall.

Sure, he's no Elway. You just make it seem like that every pass that he made traveled less than 10 yards down field.
No, that is your imagination at work.


Several quarterbacks use the West Coast Offense. Brett Favre, for one. I guess he was also a system quarterback.
No, he had a much stronger arm than Montana. But the Pack did lead the NFL in YAC for a few years.

Some teams used the West Coast scheme instead of a ground-it-out running game -- but both schemes are also supplemented by down-field passes.


Thanks Hub, could you be more pedantic?


So everything he threw was off a flat or slant pattern? Please.
No, I never said that.

Watch the NFL Films tape of Super Bowl XVI will see proof of longer routes, like a Z comeback route to Michael Wilson. It wasn't a go pattern, but it was a dump off either.



And a comeback route is nothing like a go route, but no here alluded to Montana never throwing them other than yourself.


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Fred has no knowledge of the NBA, but Mike at least will watch some NBA. I heard those comments as well, and I enjoyed the Hawks-Warriors game last night (insert joke here), obviously as you stated, they had no idea the Hawks are having a good road trip out West.

The Pargo comments are just stupid.


frad has no nba knowledge, mike has no knowledge


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I brought up the comeback route because that would make me believe that opposing defenses respected Montana's ability to throw the deep ball.
You're the one that brought up the slant patterns, not me. You're the one that brought up Rice leading in YAC for several years (none that can be tied to Montana). You're the one that talked about Montana's accuracy in the short passing game. Why not talk about his ability to scramble out of the pocket and improvise. Why not talk about his ability \to also throw deeper passes to keep defenses at bay.
I shouldn't have played the absolute card with you, because that gave you a way out.
All types of quarterbacks (gunslingers, scramblers) use the West Coast offense, so it's really kind of hard to pull out one and say he is a system QB (with the negative connotation).
I did enjoy the discussion.
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During a "discussion" with Mike Imrin, North challenged reporters to do their homework.
Seconds later, Mike asked Fred to give the audience the name of Spurs assistant Mike Budenholzer. He Mr. Homework, why didn't you know the name.
Two minutes later, Mike trumpeted the successes of Lawrence Frank of the Nets, and leading to the NBA finals.
Mikey, Frank took over after the Nets made back-to-back appearances.

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