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The NBA is probably in the best shape out of the four major sports. I don't know much about the NHL though. Though he can't be credited with every single morsel of success, that the league is what it is today would seem to reflect well on him, controversies aside (Chris Paul trade, Donoughy, etc).

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 Post subject: Re: David Stern
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I think the Globalization of the league is directly tied to the vision that he had for it.

He definitely deserves credit for that among other things.

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The NBA is probably in the best shape out of the four major sports. I don't know much about the NHL though. Though he can't be credited with every single morsel of success, that the league is what it is today would seem to reflect well on him, controversies aside (Chris Paul trade, Donoughy, etc).

I guess you haven't heard of the NFL?

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I’m feeling guilty that I don’t really care.

Probably the same way millions will feel when you go tits up

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The NBA is probably in the best shape out of the four major sports. I don't know much about the NHL though. Though he can't be credited with every single morsel of success, that the league is what it is today would seem to reflect well on him, controversies aside (Chris Paul trade, Donoughy, etc).

Maybe 2 years ago the NBA was but tanking ratings, China, and load management have put the NBA is just as bad of a spot as the NFL.

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NBA is probably best positioned out of North American sports. Hockey and football are expensive and turn your brain into soup. No one under 60 cares about baseball.

Plus 90% of the NBA is composed of man-babies who are addicted to social media. Perfect for these times


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The NBA certainly looks the strongest right now but I still feel like the reckoning could come any day.

MLS is coming on strong.

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I’m feeling guilty that I don’t really care.

Probably the same way millions will feel when you go tits up


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In memory of Stern, Adam Silver has just fined Popovich for resting Tim Duncan this entire season.

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Jerry Reinsdorf on with Shuster & Levine today talking David Stern. Two Jews interviewing a Jew talking about a Jew and his Jewish successor. The Bulls were bought for 16 million. Now worth 2.9 billion. Two Catholics co-hosted yesterday, Mully and Thayer. Jerry still sharp as a tack going to be 84. He's still the final decision guy with the Bulls and Sox.


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Nobody is ever going to encroach on the NFL. This past decade they managed to contend with how many supposedly "existential" threats and ultimately brushed them all aside only to come out in an even more dominant position? Even the culture war couldn't dent its hegemony and the concussion hysteria has subsided massively.

But if any sport were to do it basketball will never be that sport. Its not a competitive league and the core of their fanbase, hyper-active social media users, can only be placated at the expense of broader appeal. Overall fewer people care about the NBA now as they did fifteen years ago, but those who care more require almost constant pandering and if the NBA dares make any sort of populist pivot they'll rebel.


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:lol:

David Stern was great. Hilarious and smarmy at the same time. Adam Silver is too much of a dweeb.

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This is delightful: https://www.si.com/nba/2018/10/24/david ... rs-hornets

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How about Chris Paul, whose trade to the Lakers, Stern vetoed in 2011 during his time as de facto owner of the New Orleans franchise (then the Hornets, now the Pelicans)? "I didn't do a great job of explaining it at the time. There was a trade that [New Orleans GM] Dell Demps wanted us to approve and I said heck no, but he had told [Rockets GM] Daryl Morey and [then Lakers GM] Mitch Kupchak he had authority to do it and he didn't. I said no. We just settled a lockout and you want me to approve a basketball trade?"

The reaction was swift but Stern held firm. "[Demps] had agreed to [trade Paul to the Lakers for] Kevin Martin and Luis Scola or something, and I said we can do better than that.... And the next trade was [to the Clippers for] Eric Gordon and Al-Farouq Aminu and what we thought was a really great draft pick, the 10th pick, which turned out to be Austin Rivers. At least those three and someone else [center Chris Kaman]. But Dell Demps is a lousy general manager and none of those players are currently with the team anymore, and he may lose Anthony Davis."

Stern continues: "I did it because I was protecting the then Hornets.... To this day everyone always asks me, 'Well why did you keep Chris Paul from going to the Lakers?' I didn't keep him. I didn't approve the trade. No team sells or trades a future Hall of Famer without the owner signing off, and I was the owner's rep. But I wasn't going to hand up Dell Demps." After this, Stern goes on for a bit before returning to what he sees as the irony. "Now when DeMarcus Cousins signs with Golden State, then the great unwashed Twitter says, 'Adam Silver should be like Stern and stop him from going.' Oh, O.K., guys, that's great! Right? That's ridiculous. Step up, strap on a set. It's stupid."

The explanation is classic Stern: an admission of error followed by a diminishment of that error and, ultimately, vindication.

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But if any sport were to do it basketball will never be that sport. Its not a competitive league and the core of their fanbase, hyper-active social media users, can only be placated at the expense of broader appeal. Overall fewer people care about the NBA now as they did fifteen years ago, but those who care more require almost constant pandering and if the NBA dares make any sort of populist pivot they'll rebel.

Haha, sounds like blue-check NHL.

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According to Dan Roan, Stern hated WGN Superstation.

He liked the local WGN, but not the superstation.

Anybody know why? ANybody have any details on this? Seems strange.

I would think a global guy like Stern would like the Superstation. Maybe he was jealous or somethin'. He was Jewish after all.

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Didn’t he just get lucky? Getting Jordan after Magic/Bird. I think anyone could have grown the league with that lineup.


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He didn't like the Bulls and Hawks doing end-runs around territorial rights agreements. Stern was always looking out for mid-market owners, he clashed with the big guys like Reinsdorf, Turner, and Dolan/MSG. Contrast with MLB where Reinsdorf and Turner were among the biggest power brokers.

We've discussed this before in a thread you started: viewtopic.php?f=92&t=119278

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EDIT: as for the Mets, how long were they on the superstation feed, I wonder? I know sometime in the early-to-mid '90s when teams all finally started taking TV seriously, MLB and the NBA started getting very cranky about the superstations and charging them fees to reach outside their territories. The Cubs started offloading games to cable in '96, I think, and the Braves started Turner South around the same time. (The Sox had always been more committed to cable anyway, as we all know.) It wouldn't surprise me if the Mets backed down from superstation telecasts earliest and hardest, effectively leaving the national WOR feed with no destination programming.

Here's Sandomir on the superstation wars from 1995, and the Mets aren't even mentioned: https://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/10/spor ... overs.html

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Last Friday's ruling by a United States District judge on superstation telecasts was a split victory for the Chicago Bulls and WGN, who first sued the league in 1990. Every antitrust argument waged by the league was tossed out handily by Judge Hubert L. Will, as he said WGN could send 30 games a season to more than 30 million cable subscribers. Yet, Will stopped short of granting WGN's ultimate request to air 41 telecasts.

"We disposed for good that notion that superstation telecasts adversely affect the ratings of other teams," said Joel Chefitz, a Bulls attorney.

But the N.B.A. persuaded Will that it can impose a fee on WGN's telecasts, but not one as onerous as the one the league proposed.

Amazingly, Commissioner David Stern said the league will appeal the 30-game limit, even though the league's rationale has repeatedly proved faulty. If the league couldn't prove that the WGN telecasts were impacting other markets when Michael Jordan was playing, he would appear to have even more of a problem with Jordan retired.

It's time for Stern to surrender -- which he won't.

Does this ruling affect baseball, the other superstation-impacted sport? Probably not too much. When he was commissioner, Fay Vincent waged a holy war on WGN, TV home of the Cubs and White Sox, and TBS, land of the Braves. But he lost. Will's ruling probably confirms the WGN and TBS rights, and the validity of baseball's superstation fee system.

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Didn’t he just get lucky? Getting Jordan after Magic/Bird. I think anyone could have grown the league with that lineup.


The NBA had many star players but they lacked someone with his vision. Every NBA team should have a statue outside of their stadium because of what he did for the game on basketball.

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According to Dan Roan, Stern hated WGN Superstation.

He liked the local WGN, but not the superstation.

Anybody know why? ANybody have any details on this? Seems strange.

I would think a global guy like Stern would like the Superstation. Maybe he was jealous or somethin'. He was Jewish after all.


he made it long enough to see CLTV died, that must have been his dying wish


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Did he die by chance today or did his family select this day for him to die for financial reasons?

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Did he die by chance today or did his family select this day for him to die for financial reasons?


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whistler wrote:
According to Dan Roan, Stern hated WGN Superstation.

He liked the local WGN, but not the superstation.

Anybody know why? ANybody have any details on this? Seems strange.

I would think a global guy like Stern would like the Superstation. Maybe he was jealous or somethin'. He was Jewish after all.


he made it long enough to see CLTV died, that must have been his dying wish



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