Got on a lucky one
Came in 18/1
I've got a feeling
This year's for me and you

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I'm amazed it took this long to happen.

For sure. He looked like he was dead for quite awhile now.

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thankfully some people are ugly and it makes me feel better

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The whole American people with a limited connection to Ireland (not talking about people from Ireland, Irish immigrants, or the children of Irish immigrants) into Irish music phenomenon has always intrigued me. Are they into it because they have some distant connection to Ireland, or do they just like something that sounds a little different? I'm not trying to start shit here, and am genuinely curious.

Also a better QB than Cutler.

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he outlasted Mark E. Smith

Many years ago we had tickets to see him at the House of Blues but found out it was cancelled (after we were already there) because he wasn’t allowed to enter the country due to drug-related crimes. Somehow he got that fixed because we did see him there a bit later. It was amazing to watch a guy who appeared to be so intoxicated that he could barely stand yet managed to nail the words to every song.

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In class now and can't really focus, but . . .

Probably both. Depends on where you live--some communities are still connected with a sense of Irish-Catholic identity, but that's not much of a thing anymore (besides a few communities). Being Irish is also good for a fantasy about how hard you (meaning your grandpa or great-grandpa) had it.

There was a time when being Catholic meant you were significantly different from Protestants (now we have Evangelicals, too), but I don't think the differences matter. It mattered to my oldest, boomer brothers and sisters and my parents. Similarly, Irishness has been diluted.

Pogues sounded good, too.

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Your dilution comment is kind of why I asked. The Irish people have been here for so long, most of them can't really have much of a connection to Ireland, yet I can't see consuming a steady diet of The Pouges or similar bands unless there's at least a small measure of ethnic pride or ethnic solidarity involved. If that's the case, it's fine. People like different bands for many different subjective reasons.

I'm also not wanting to stir shit but I think it's kind of a strange premise, particularly as it applies to the Pogues. I'm a huge fan of the Jam, but I have no English heritage. Why is it hard to understand why somebody could appreciate a wide variety of musical sounds and styles without any apparent connection other than the music itself?

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When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus. - Turkish Proverb

The Jam isn't a bad counter to my premise. They lean into their Britishness pretty hard. However, the Irish equivalent of The Jam would be U2 or Sinead O'Connor, not The Pouges. The Jam, U2, and Sinead O'Connor are all basically doing standard pop or rock, albeit extremely well done. The Pogues are doing something a lot more traditionally Irish.

I could be full of shit here, but I think to get into something like that you need to feel some sort of ethnic connection or at least have a pretty strong affinity for Irish culture.

All that being said, you went to the show. What was the crowd like? Was there a strong Irish vibe, or nothing remarkable?

I’d say it was mostly drunk punk rockers (we only fit the 1st aspect).

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When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus. - Turkish Proverb

I think that draws some people to them. Some people need to fill their identity with symbolic ethnicity, and that's quite fine. Other Irish-Americans do feel a pull to Ireland, though, because some still come here and many have relatives over there.

BTW, I myself (incorrectly) argued sometime in the mid-90s that we'd see a huge return to ethnic heritage as part of our identity.

Like I said, though, the Pogues sound good. Weren't they considered alternative/punk/something in the 80s? That might be before your time, but the hip kids listened to them in college. Our neighborhood was 1/3 Irish descent, so I always knew who they were, which meant that I got to go to college with a little coolness in the tank.

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I got to see the Pogues once. I think it was around 2006-2008. Shane did the whole song Fiesta while hitting himself over the head with a metal drink tray.

RIP

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And one lead singer who was only standing because he was holding on to the microphone stand?

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Not a drop of Irish blood but love the music, including Irish trad. Best thing that ever happened to the Irish was being forced to speak English it’s changed the entire posture of Americans toward their immigration

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And men have lost their reason.

When I listen to those endless reels it becomes very clear why the Irish drink so much.

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Fucking awesome...it's not about the music per se, it is a soulful experience

fuck lets try this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptayWtW1So8

It doesnt get much better than that. Singing and dancing in front of the corpse. Quite the send off. The Irish do seem to do death pretty well.

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You're a bum
You're a punk
You're an old slut on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed

You scumbag, you maggot
You cheap lousy burrito
Happy Christmas your arse
I pray God it's our last

-Hallmark Card (mmm..maybe?)

AW REALLY




BURRITO? THAT DOES NOT RHYME!

back when Ireland was Catholic, the priest would have taken a flamethrower to that profanity in God's house

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

This guy gets it...

Ireland is one of THE most depressing places on earth today. And it will get worse, before it gets better.

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