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Sorry this has taken me all week, but, as promised, here goes. For the uninitiated, I recently was asked how I felt and how others in the business feel about Mike North.

I believe Mike is one of the greatest success stories in Chicago media history. He came from nothing... his late father, Don, was a hard-working, Archie Bunker type (the apple doesn't...) his Mom very traditionally Italian and his brothers, likeable, 9-to-5 working class, regular Joes. Nothing pretentious. Typical family in the neighborhood in which I was raised. I immediately liked Be-Be. Nice woman. North was almost 40 when the Score went on the air in Jan. of '92. With almost no experience (he did a handicapping show on a foreign language station -- insert joke there) before the Score was born. In short order, Mike became the face guy of the radio station. The Score's biggest splash was made by North and Jiggetts.

Mike was unconventional, original, passionate, fully of energy, often very funny, and took no shit from anybody. His willingness to orchestrate uncomfortable interviews (with Mike McCaskey the day of the Jay Hilgenberg trade, August 27, 1992... with Isiah Thomas) became his calling card. Mike was willing to take an interview where nobody else would. He also was a willing, successful, self-promoter. Perhaps I wish I had or would have a little more of that in me, but I'm very comfortable in a team oriented approach.

Northy also knew how to make his show with Jiggetts fun. In a beatdown session with program director Ron Gleason, Terry Boers and I were told Mike and Dan were decidedly better interviewers because their guests had fun. Gleason wasn't right about much, but he was right about that. If anybody at the Score in those first four or five years were to tell you that Mike wasn't singularly the MOST responsible for the success of this daytime-only, start up operation, he is lying. Or delusional.

That first football season, North and I did a dozen or so Monday Night Football appearances for Miller. We got $500 each and it was a chance for the two most "user-friendly" hosts to promote the two "big" shows, the Monsters of the Midday and the Heavy Fuel Crew. I got to know North well and we had a lot of laughs and threw back a lot of drinks. It was a good working partnership. Mike and I also did some Saturday morning shows together that first year. Once, he hadn't gone home from the night before and was still buzzed. I announced we would be having Illini radio analyst Jim Grabowski on to preview the Illinois conference opener, to which North retorted "Now, I'm hard... I'm actually aroused."

That shoot-from-the-hip, say what most don't even think approach is what made Mike the best at the time. It also has contributed largely to the decrease in Mike's popularity over the past few years. Sweeping generalizations regarding race, sex, religious preference, just aren't as well received as they used to be. Some say that's what we call progress. Maybe. Topic for another day.

Boers and I had our share of petty jealousies of the Monsters. They quickly were established as the station's "franchise show," even though they competed in the cushy world of 10a-2p. They didn't oppose the Cubs regularly... Dahl and Meier... Brandmeier... etc., etc. They traveled more than we were allowed to in the early days. My kicking and screaming changed that, but it took time. Overall, however, it was a pretty amenable relationship. The two shows were very different, but both were well received and all four of us knew it was good to be on the same team. It was a glorious time for the band.

When Mike successfully convinced the station to shake things up in August of '99, we looked at each other much differently. I wasn't so much upset with him as I was management for allowing him to shake up MY show. I suspected it was so we all were on a level playing field and, should Mike have struggled doing a lot of non-sports and being on without a partner, Terry and I wouldn't have gained the "upper hand" on him.

I also was pissed management wouldn't change his habit of backloading spots in the final quarter hour of his 3:00 hour. Jiggs and I had enough problems finding a groove; I didn't think a lead in of 10 minutes of spots, a 5-minute interview with Tony Orlando or David Cassidy and George Ofman (five minutes after the hour because Mike ran late habitually) was in our best interest.

Several months went by where Mike and I didn't talk. It wasn't hatred or horribly uncomfortable, but we were in complete avoidance mode. I broke that ice when I sought his counsel on how he managed to work with Dan for 7 1/2 years. We were at dinner in Edison Park -- and by the way, if we weren't comped, Mike always insisted on paying -- when he gave me this pearl of wisdom. "When ya stop talkin' watch his mouth... and listen ta nuthin' he says... just wait for his mout ta stop movin', den go back to what you were doin' before he chimed in." Heckuva testimonial for making a relationship work.

Mike and I have quarrelled, but never on personal stuff. Always business. I think he's made some bad business decisions, but I choose to point the finger at his management teams that never seem to keep him committed to the station's credo of being a primarily sports-driven, guy radio station.
I'm not a huge morning radio consumer, but when I do listen to morning drive, I listen to North or music. He isn't that smart (and he admits that), but -- especially when he's talking sports -- he's a fun listen. I think Mike has a lot of radio left in him and I'm eager to hear more about his upcoming book project(s). Having said that, it was very satisfying when my show gave Mike a pretty good trimming in afternoon drive. To his credit, Mike congratulated me when we bumped into each other at the Super Bowl in Houston four+ years ago.

How do others perceive him? With fewer stars than I just put up. Their complaints of North, however, are complaints that should be levied at management, not Mikey. You want him to be more educated if he's going to go off on politics: demand he's more prepared. You want him to talk pop culture, insist he understands the young Miller Lite drinkers don't want to hear Sinatra stories. You want somebody to challenge him, insist Fred stand up and fight him more or find somebody less like him than Fred and have him do it. The Ann Maxfield thing was a disaster. Terrible, terrible idea. Just when you think you've seen it all in this business, stick around because there's another horrible decision around every corner.

I have a few friends at the Drive and one of them recently told me he was "disgusted" to learn of Mike's salary and the things he gets away on a regular basis. I think there are others at the Score who respect what Mike has done financially, but think he doesn't deserve it. I try to encourage them to get the proper representation and go "get theirs" instead of fixating on Mike's checks. I think Mike Murphy is a big North advocate. Murph always has been good on cross promoting other shows on the Score and North (back in the day...I'm not consuming much radio after noon now as I'm prepping) always chipped in on the Murph's show. If I were to pick one word that covers the sportsradio fraternity's consensus on Mike North, it might be disbelief. Disbelief of his success. His salary. His lack of success. His salary. His long leash. His choice of topics and regulars. Management's inability to put a leash on that puppy. Disbelief might be the best choice here.

I know I've been verbose... but I usually go long on topics that interest me. Mike North's radio career -- and life -- have been exceedingly interesting. Love him or hate him, he's made Chicago radio more lively for more than 16 years now. Never a dull moment. He isn't well educated or well spoken, but North has left an indellible impression on Chicago radio.


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That was a fun and interesting read Mac. You might be able to write that book of yours without a ghost writer. You're a fairly skilled writer.

Thanks for taking the time to give us that insight.

This will get back to North. He'll talk about it I'm sure.(He's desperate for topics as we all know) I don't listen but I'd like somebody here to report back on what Pappy's reaction to this is.


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That was a fun and interesting read Mac. You might be able to write that book of yours without a ghost writer. You're a fairly skilled writer.

Thanks for taking the time to give us that insight.

This will get back to North. He'll talk about it I'm sure.(He's desperate for topics as we all know) I don't listen but I'd like somebody here to report back on what Pappy's reaction to this is.


No way. I thought he has never directly acknowledged this board?

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He almost sued some people on this board.

Somebody here said he reacted, on his show, to Mac's last post about "Pappy yelling at a caller."

This is about Pappy. His favorite subject. A fellow talk show host has thoughts on him. He loves that shit.


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Great post Mac, thanks for sharing!

I miss the days of the Heavy Fuel Crew!


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Good post Mac, the part about how North handled Jiggetts for so long killed me :lol:

When am I going to hear my favorite impression ever again on your show? hmmmm...he's got a hammy....hmmmm - you're version of Jiggs always kills me :lol:


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Very interesting stuff, Mac. Maybe this should be a regular feature, "How people in the business see _________".


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Great stuff, Mac. I agree the early days of the Score were North's salad days. Those were great times.

I think I'm in the Mac ALS but, still, it bears repeating. Mac provides a HUGE "contribute" to the board. That was a great read.

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thanks for the honest opinion. nort's main problem is his big ego. he won't admidt that he fucked up. it's always somebody elses fault. his side is always right and everyone on his show sucks his wang. he needs to go away and if he makes a nickel from his book deal that is still too much.


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Sounds like the next potentially successful Chicago sports radio pairing could be none other than Mike North, who many insiders apparently look at with disbelief, and Dan McNeil, who many insiders look at as, well, suspendable, if such a word exists.

Otherwise, you (Mac) have an unhealthy curiosity about Northy and that old lucrative contract.


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"Once, he hadn't gone home from the night before and was still buzzed."

I know he doesn't drink anymore, but what 40+ man does that kind of stuff?

Full agreement on the willing ness to take the interview to the burning bridge realm, but that seems to be his only plus nowadays, and firing from the hip resulting in something good is once in a blue moon.

While I don't care if he made $2M a year, that salary makes him create a terrible show

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thanks for the honest opinion. nort's main problem is his big ego. he won't admidt that he fucked up. it's always somebody elses fault. his side is always right and everyone on his show sucks his wang. he needs to go away and if he makes a nickel from his book deal that is still too much.


Weak management. Well, yeah, but you can always say that. A raging egotist who isn't reigned in? Blame Goose, Agasse, and others in that spot. I also blame the egotist, and I think a lot of folks here exclusively blame the egotist.

It may be the fact that I've spent 0 minutes in the radio biz, but I haven't heard anything about "strong management". Maybe it's out there, but mostly its people throwing shit against the wall, and thanking God some of it sticks.

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This narrative of Mac's is like McClellan's book. Didn't state anything that hasn't been written about at length before, yet people trip over themselves in a hurry to be the first to plant kisses where the sun don't shine.

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Way to much credit here Mac. People mostly think of MIke as a clown that says dumb things.

" I gotta listen to hear what dumb thing Mike will say today." He is never prepared.

Sure he asks the questions that no one will ask but should these questions be asked? "Wood ya shave yer head if yooz cood beat da bulls?" "Whatz yer favorite video game?"

Or these opinions, "Scottie Pippen/Brian Urlacher/Peyton Manning is over rated." "Jim Harbaugh is better than Troy Aikman" "Da Sox are gonna win it all (every year after their first win)."

And the ignorant unimformed rants about race and politics would take too long to put here.

Mike is an embarassment. He has dumbed down the Sports Radio profession. What is most sad is the fact that at sometime like you say, he was popular. Those sad days are gone and there is nothing left.

I know no one that considers him "undeniably Chicago".


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We've all seen examples in our lives of people who rise to a level far above what their abilities or talents would allow by riding a big mouth, a big ego, and an uncanny knack for self-promotion to fame and fortune. Mike North is a classic example of this, his willingness to pick up an occasional bar tab notwithstanding.

He has neither the intellectual depth nor the cultural awareness nor the cleverness to be the sole host and creative force behind a morning drive show in a major market. He should never have been allowed to be more than a co-host, sharing duties with a partner who has the brains and balls to rein him in from time to time when he makes some of his outrageous statements. The only thing worse than an idiot is an idiot unchallenged.

The overall quality of sports radio in Chicago has taken a big hit with this moron being allowed to pollute the morning air for what--almost four years now?--with his peculiar brand of outdated, 1960's Las Vegas lounge-act humor and downright ignorance. I will say this, though: his ignorance is amazingly wide-ranging, covering everything from race relations to where to find the current baseball standings. May the day soon arrive when we can say good-bye to the colossal failure that was the Mike North Morning Show.


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This narrative of Mac's is like McClellan's book. Didn't state anything that hasn't been written about at length before, yet people trip over themselves in a hurry to be the first to plant kisses where the sun don't shine.

Really? Since the majority of this was based on MY personal experiences with North, who else could have written it? Had I written this before? And why is it when somebody says thank you for putting some effort into something it is ass kissing? Perhaps you can offer something more insightful. Your criticism of fellow boardees for forming an ALS is the most OVERWRITTEN thing on the board.


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Mac, let me ask you this. Does North get where he is today without Spaceball and the other people Mike had in his hip pocket at the score?

Also, I think you gave Mike and Jigs to much credit, you and Terry by far had the best show on the score back in the day, I never thought much of the monsters, but is just my taste in sports radio.


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Mac, let me ask you this. Does North get where he is today without Spaceball and the other people Mike had in his hip pocket at the score?

Also, I think you gave Mike and Jigs to much credit, you and Terry by far had the best show on the score back in the day, I never thought much of the monsters, but is just my taste in sports radio.


I agree on personal tastes, but Monsters were considered the signature show of the station.

Whoever it was in his pocket, they (rightfully) saw that North was different than the rest of the talent. Different as in at least, "amusing." And he's parlayed that into small gigs on different TV venues, but never enough to get him out of that venue. A fish that's a little too big for one pond; not big enough for the next.

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It's not that we haven't criticized North in a similar way.

I think it was nice to hear somebody in radio do it. It was nice to see Mac confirm that others in radio think so.

For the most part everybody in Chicago media tend to kiss Pappy's ass. Even if they actually think he's a joke. Obviously everybody at the Score is scared to criticize Mac. Some go on the air with him and say "hey Pappy you're the best." I'm sure most don't believe that. That's why I appreciated Mac's post.


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Also, I think you gave Mike and Jigs to much credit, you and Terry by far had the best show on the score back in the day, I never thought much of the monsters, but is just my taste in sports radio.


I would not even slightly agree. The Monsters helped to establish the station while HFC were still searching for an identity. Without guys like North showing established broadcasters that "the regular guy" act would work, I think people like Boers would have very easily slipped into the Coppock paradigm of sports talk. Mike North changed sports talk radio as we know it. Unfortunately things seem to have regressed over the last half decade.

The golden age of the SCORE occured when both shows were simultaneously at their best and interacting with one another on cross talk.


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I would not even slightly agree. The Monsters helped to establish the station while HFC were still searching for an identity. Without guys like North showing established broadcasters that "the regular guy" act would work, I think people like Boers would have very easily slipped into the Coppock paradigm of sports talk. Mike North changed sports talk radio as we know it. Unfortunately things seem to have regressed over the last half decade.

The golden age of the SCORE occured when both shows were simultaneously at their best and interacting with one another on cross talk.


I am not going to argue ones personal listening preference.. :lol: But I will say that if you could put the Monsters up against a MJH or B/B, the monsters would be destroyed. I also wasn't a big fan of Jigs either, it was just a matter of what I wanted to hear.


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Mac, thanks for the McClellan post, telling us everything we already knew. Pappy is like most successful entertainers, he had a good run for a about 10 years and it went to shit after that.


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Mac, interesting post. It does appear to have been painstakingly written so as to be politically correct and non-controversial. We get too much of that pablum today but c'est la vie. I suppose its better than going off like Fr. Pfleger or Mike North for that matter. The underlying message I got is that North is not very smart, is a poor speaker, was once better than he is now, and is bad now. On those points we agree.

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Sounds like the next potentially successful Chicago sports radio pairing could be none other than Mike North, who many insiders apparently look at with disbelief, and Dan McNeil, who many insiders look at as, well, suspendable, if such a word exists.

Otherwise, you (Mac) have an unhealthy curiosity about Northy and that old lucrative contract.


I believe Hillary would say that to imagine such a pairing would happen and be successful is willingly engaging in the suspension of disbelief.

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I would not even slightly agree. The Monsters helped to establish the station while HFC were still searching for an identity. Without guys like North showing established broadcasters that "the regular guy" act would work, I think people like Boers would have very easily slipped into the Coppock paradigm of sports talk. Mike North changed sports talk radio as we know it. Unfortunately things seem to have regressed over the last half decade.

The golden age of the SCORE occured when both shows were simultaneously at their best and interacting with one another on cross talk.


I am not going to argue ones personal listening preference.. :lol: But I will say that if you could put the Monsters up against a MJH or B/B, the monsters would be destroyed. I also wasn't a big fan of Jigs either, it was just a matter of what I wanted to hear.


I'll have to think about that long and hard. For me the real question is, how would they do against current "traditional" sportstalk shows, e.g., Mully and Hanley? Because both MJH and B&B have an anti-hardcore sports skew that you can say were borrowed from the Monsters...

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When Mike successfully convinced the station to shake things up in August of '99, we looked at each other much differently. I wasn't so much upset with him as I was management for allowing him to shake up MY show. I suspected it was so we all were on a level playing field and, should Mike have struggled doing a lot of non-sports and being on without a partner, Terry and I wouldn't have gained the "upper hand" on him.



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You hit the nail right on the head Dolphin. :thumright:

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I'm still wondering if it's really Mac or somebody else.

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I'm still wondering if it's really Mac or somebody else.


It's him.


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Kishin Shinoyama wrote:
I'm still wondering if it's really Mac or somebody else.


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