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 Post subject: Re: Bodog
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:38 pm 
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And yet CBS and other sites can pay out millions of dollars of fantasy football payouts and have nothing done to them.

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 Post subject: Re: Bodog
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:42 pm 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
And yet CBS and other sites can pay out millions of dollars of fantasy football payouts and have nothing done to them.


It's not paid through them though.


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 Post subject: Re: Bodog
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:43 pm 
Good thing they have moved operations to another domain :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Bodog
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The Gridiron Assassin wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
And yet CBS and other sites can pay out millions of dollars of fantasy football payouts and have nothing done to them.


It's not paid through them though.
Isn't it? I thought you could sign up for public leagues with cash prizes for the winner. http://football.cbssports.com/splash/football/spln/single

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 Post subject: Re: Bodog
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:15 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Bodog
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Surely you see the difference.
I really don't. I'm paying $39.99 for the chance to win $200. How is that different than betting on a sporting event or entering an online poker tournament? I have a 1/12 chance of winning 5/12th of the money. The payout isn't great but does the fact that the owners are taking a huge amount of the pot make it not gambling?

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 Post subject: Re: Bodog
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spanky wrote:
Surely you see the difference.
I really don't. I'm paying $39.99 for the chance to win $200. How is that different than betting on a sporting event or entering an online poker tournament? I have a 1/12 chance of winning 5/12th of the money. The payout isn't great but does the fact that the owners are taking a huge amount of the pot make it not gambling?

Predicting the outcome of individuals in a sport is a skill-based challenge, but predicting the outcome of an aggregate of those players is gambling.

I don't get it either.

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Predicting the outcome of individuals in a sport is a skill-based challenge, but predicting the outcome of an aggregate of those players is gambling.

I don't get it either.
I really have no clue how this site exists and is legal. http://www.draftstreet.com/

You literally are drafting and getting paid for results that take place that day.

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I agree with Rick. I don't see the difference. I also don't see why a site like bodog is illegal.

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 Post subject: Re: Bodog
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
And yet CBS and other sites can pay out millions of dollars of fantasy football payouts and have nothing done to them.

Don't you care about the large collection of people that consumed large amounts of caffeine and placed bets well into the night?

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 Post subject: Re: Bodog
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newper wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
spanky wrote:
Surely you see the difference.
I really don't. I'm paying $39.99 for the chance to win $200. How is that different than betting on a sporting event or entering an online poker tournament? I have a 1/12 chance of winning 5/12th of the money. The payout isn't great but does the fact that the owners are taking a huge amount of the pot make it not gambling?

Predicting the outcome of individuals in a sport is a skill-based challenge, but predicting the outcome of an aggregate of those players is gambling.

I don't get it either.


Occam's Razor applies ... the only reason the gov't gives a whipped shit is because they aren't getting their portion ... it becomes unaccounted-for money.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
And yet CBS and other sites can pay out millions of dollars of fantasy football payouts and have nothing done to them.

Don't you care about the large collection of people that consumed large amounts of caffeine and placed bets well into the night?
Caffeine is a hell of a drug.

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 Post subject: Re: Bodog
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
newper wrote:
Predicting the outcome of individuals in a sport is a skill-based challenge, but predicting the outcome of an aggregate of those players is gambling.

I don't get it either.
I really have no clue how this site exists and is legal. http://www.draftstreet.com/

You literally are drafting and getting paid for results that take place that day.


I find this subject very interesting since I've been working on a gambling ("contest") site myself and lining up advertisers. From the research I've done the laws are very vague. There are states that are stricter than others. But ultimately, any gambling site is of questionable legality on a federal level. The enforcement seems quite arbitrary and I would suspect that Don Tiny is close to the truth.

I would say it's similar to "legal" marijuana shops in California. I have a friend who went out there to open one. He's making a shitload of dough but he understands that the feds could close the doors at any time in spite of the fact that his operation is ostensibly legal in the state of California.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
And yet CBS and other sites can pay out millions of dollars of fantasy football payouts and have nothing done to them.


1. Fantasy and Roto stuff was carved out of the most recent laws passed. Essentially , you can run a contest, as long as the prize is not based on the entries. So you must say the prize is $10,000...even if 2 people join?

2. http://www.bovada.lv/

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bigfan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
And yet CBS and other sites can pay out millions of dollars of fantasy football payouts and have nothing done to them.


1. Fantasy and Roto stuff was carved out of the most recent laws passed. Essentially , you can run a contest, as long as the prize is not based on the entries. So you must say the prize is $10,000...even if 2 people join?

2. http://www.bovada.lv/


Yeah, and I think the online poker operators have attempted to take the position that since poker is a game of skill it doesn't constitute gambling under the new Act. I don't believe the feds are buying that argument though.

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bigfan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
And yet CBS and other sites can pay out millions of dollars of fantasy football payouts and have nothing done to them.


1. Fantasy and Roto stuff was carved out of the most recent laws passed. Essentially , you can run a contest, as long as the prize is not based on the entries. So you must say the prize is $10,000...even if 2 people join?

2. http://www.bovada.lv/


Yeah, and I think the online poker operators have attempted to take the position that since poker is a game of skill it doesn't constitute gambling under the new Act. I don't believe the feds are buying that argument though.


It doesn't help when people like Senator Mark Kirk are opposed to online gambling, because those sites are just a front for money laundering and terrorism.

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