Could we all at least agree that it's important to learn to use the quote function properly?

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Habit forming isn't a bad thing though. I have a habit of eating dinner especially if it's something with positive health effects.

It depends what kind of a drinker you are. There are a lot of people who have a drink or two a day, and then may have an extra on Friday or Saturday. Others drink 10 on a Friday, spend Saturday hungover, and then don't drink for the rest of the week. Some do both.

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Right, but this line of questioning originated with me saying

"I dont think were talking about one glass of wine a night"


Obviously, we are not. Even the ones you consider responsible drink more.

So, we can throw out the whole "Dr's say 1 glass is good for you" in this argument because its not relavent. We arent talking one glass a night.

[quote="Don Tiny"]Could we all at least agree that it's important to learn to use the quote function properly?[/quote


Never!!!!!

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So with alcohol there is no worry of habit turning to addiction?


I would think that as physically addicting as alcohol is, habit forming might be frowned upon.

Guess not.

I jumped in when you said "weed is better than alcohol". That's not true. In many cases alcohol is actually better for you. You pretty much have to get to the alcohol abuse stage for your statement to be true.

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Being addicted to having one or two drinks a night isn't bad though. I'm addicted to eating an acceptable amount of calories a day. Neither is damaging. Now, if I start having double the calories I should have that's bad. If I start having double the alcohol I should have that's bad.

That's what happens in Europe(Hi IMU!). They start drinking much earlier but they drink in much more moderation. You can go your whole life(after a certain age) having a few drinks a day with no issues. Now, if for some reason you start increasing your amount drank per day you can get addicted to drinking that much. The same can be said for chocolate though.

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BRick has an unfair advantage in message board arguments since he's all hopped up on performance-enhancing caffeine.

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Don't take it personally.

When you jumped in originally is irrelavant.

This line of debate goes back to me saying

"Im not gonna treat it like its one glass a night"

you replied

Why? A lot of people drink responsibly
(apparently saying a lot of people have one glass a night)


Then we found out you meant more than one glass.

So, again the one glass of night is good for you thing is irrelavant here, since that's not what were talking about.



Also, do you guys think that weed being illegal affects Dr's reccommendations?

If it were legal, do you think Dr's would reccommend it?

I'm pretty sure that I shouldn't be posting this high on caffeine.

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So depression caused mac to piss all over himself down at the LSU game and not being shitfaced?
Or did depression cause him to get shitfaced?

Just trying to understand.

The side effects of alcohol are also way worse.

Gay Marijuana!!

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We are talking about responsible vs. irresponsible drinking. Responsible drinking can be a generic term, but most of the time responsible drinking > responsible smoking of tobacco or marijuana. At low levels, it's obvious. At moderate levels, it's still likely better. If someone must abuse either weed or alcohol, weed is better to abuse.
No. As spanky pointed out, I don't know of any positive health benefits of marijuana. Now, it can be used like medicine, but medicine is designed to treat certain issues and not something for general use. Also, in general, doctors don't really care about illegal/legal unless they are forced to. They aren't cops. That's why you can be honest on that form when it asks if you use any drugs.

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I don't know enough about depression to have an opinion about Mac's condition. I trust the professionals he has in place, to treat him appropriately and render the help he needs. I am thankful that he didn't need to be arrested, have his wife leave him, or have some other terrible event in his life have to occur, before realizing help was needed. I am just glad he got help BEFORE something terrible happened. And, I am happy to hear him on the air again. I wish mac the very best and hope he can remain on a positive path that leads to more satisfying relationships, professional success and happiness.

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What are the side effects of alcohol? I think you will discover that pretty much all of them have to do with alcohol abuse.

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Leaving tobacco out of that, thats not true or proven.

No. As spanky pointed out, I don't know of any positive health benefits of marijuana. Now, it can be used like medicine, but medicine is designed to treat certain issues and not something for general use. Also, in general, doctors don't really care about illegal/legal unless they are forced to. They aren't cops. That's why you can be honest on that form when it asks if you use any drugs.[/quote]
Drs certainly "care" about what is legal, because being illegal there are no huge Pharm's telling them to push it.

I believe they would find some positives in it, like anything else.

They'd find out that it lowers stress and helps long term blood pressure or something.

Especially because if it were legal, it would be available in non smoking form.

Um, did you miss the whole thing about the AMA saying that there are positive health reasons to drink moderate amounts of alcohol?

You don't think marijuana use is studied and papers are written about it and distributed to doctors? Doctors learn a ton about most of the popular illegal drugs. The best that has been done is they've found it to be a valid treatment for certain diseases and conditions. That's why the questionnaire we all get when we go to the doctor asks about drug use. They need to know a lot about it.

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One glass of wine is equivalent to about a hit of weed in terms of effects. I can't imagine either is doing much to you long term - or short term for that matter.

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Um, did you miss that whole exchange where we determined that your defintion of responsible drinking and what the AMA reccommends are two VERY different things?






Ok?

They cant learn more?

Couldnt you say all that about alcohol research before they found out its good for heart disease?

How many hits are in your standard joint?

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Way too many, but joints are the passed.


I know a guy that smokes one hitter per day. Thats one drag.

I kind of agree with you Ed. I didn't feel that I needed to re-gain Mac's trust in any way. People are gonna have problems. I'm assuming he means the trust that he will be there more consistantly maybe....or that he has promised people to not do certain things, yet has fallen short. I think I would rather trust my favorite hosts, but wouldn't be a deciding factor.

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Gimme drugs, gimme drugs.

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Don't take it personally.

Ok. I've shown a major way when responsible drinking > responsible smoking. Now it's your turn. Explain to me how responsible smoking > responsible drinking. I think that will be tough.
They study legal and illegal drugs all the time already. The legal status doesn't make it illegal to research it.

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I must have missed the part where you showed responsible drinking > responsible smoking. It's not.

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It doesnt say that in there. In fact, it doesn't even mention weed.

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I think Rick is stating that there is legitimate health benefits recorded to moderate alcohol consumption and there is no such study for moderate marijuana use.

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