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The world has passed Mac by. His cultural references are both limited and dated, his approach to talking sports is antiquated, and his lack of investment in his job is/was obvious. He hasn't been on top of his game in roughly a decade.


And that's another thing, I don't wanna hear about your day. You just keep your anecdotes to Dynaflows, or McGuire sisters, or shit like that. Otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP!

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I think you're right and wrong. It's true that the world has passed Mac by. It's passed me by too. But the typical listener is still in the same place Mac and I are. The people that the world has not passed by aren't listening to terrestrial radio anyway.

This is a problem I see with a lot of businesses that see their customer bases aging, e.g. baseball and horse racing. They abandon the customer they have to chase the customer they want. And you know what? It never works.


But Mac and Parkins gave something that both ends of the spectrum could enjoy. It's hard to accurately assess that show since the majority of it occurred during the pandemic. And while McNeil was not what he used to be, he was still entertaining and a good match with Parkins. A Parkins and Spiegel show will provide, to a lesser extent, the same type of balanced show but with better chemistry. Moving forward, it will be rare to find a show with a couple 50+ year old hosts.

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I think you're right and wrong. It's true that the world has passed Mac by. It's passed me by too. But the typical listener is still in the same place Mac and I are. The people that the world has not passed by aren't listening to terrestrial radio anyway.

This is a problem I see with a lot of businesses that see their customer bases aging, e.g. baseball and horse racing. They abandon the customer they have to chase the customer they want. And you know what? It never works.


But Mac and Parkins gave something that both ends of the spectrum could enjoy. It's hard to accurately assess that show since the majority of it occurred during the pandemic. And while McNeil was not what he used to be, he was still entertaining and a good match with Parkins. A Parkins and Spiegel show will provide, to a lesser extent, the same type of balanced show but with better chemistry. Moving forward, it will be rare to find a show with a couple 50+ year old hosts.



Yeah, I wasn't commenting specifically on that show. I'm not even sure I've ever heard Parkins at all.

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Have to think that someone will figure out the appropriate platform to reach WSCR's core audience which is primarily 40 plus males. It may not be politically correct, but this group will be around for 10-20 more years and most are in solid income brackets.


I have to hope "the" will be around for 40-50 more years

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The end result of all this is that no one has anything to say that I can't hear somewhere else. I read all the same stuff Bernstein, Parkins, and Laurence read -- no surprises. There are sport-specific podcasts if I want them. But there's no spontaneity or sense of belonging to an audience. It's just people telling you how it is. They came full-circle to Chet.



I've been writing this for a few year.

Chet was the top down approach. Team/athlete/coach->Chet/host->fan.

The old Score, primarily through North, broke that approach. It blurred if not eliminated the line between host and fan, then turned the approach upside down

host/fan->team

The current Score is now some grotesque synthesis to this thesis and antithesis.

If I were to draw the chart now, I'd say the line has blurred between team and host, with the fan almost eliminated from the discussion entirely.

team/host<-->outside "expert------------------------------------------------------------------>fan

fan shouldn't even really be in the line. It should be in some distantly unattached space at the corner of the page.

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There is also the rather uncomfortable reality that me and my 40-50 year old buddies are way more emotionally invested in local sports teams than my younger family/co-workers will likely ever have because we grew up an era where you really didn't have anything else to do other than go outside and try to replicate (insert Cub hitters) batting stance while your buddy tossed whiffle balls or tennis balls.


Nailed it right there.

Our sports playing son has zero interest in sitting down and watching a game. He just watches highlights on his phone.


I noticed that movement in junior high about 12-13 years ago. It has only gotten worse. They only watch highlights.


Oh, bunk.

We are misremembering our youth. We didn't watch nearly the amount of sports in our teens and early 20s as we remember. I didn't sit in to watch ANY game if I had the opportunity to go out, chase tail and kill brain cells. I certainly had an interest and I would read the newspaper the next day but sports were certainly superseded by more instinctual drives.

I was a big bears fan when I was in grade school. A little less interested in high school. Probably didn't watch a single game in college/grad school years. Late 20s I came back to college and pro football. It was a Saturday/Sunday escape from a life of breaking rocks with 40 years of hard labor staring me in the face.

Young adults are the same today.

Sam Fels was an unusual dork back then in the amount he cared about sports for his age, just as he is now.

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The world has passed Mac by. His cultural references are both limited and dated, his approach to talking sports is antiquated, and his lack of investment in his job is/was obvious. He hasn't been on top of his game in roughly a decade.


This, as with many TM posts, is likely true. The world has also passed me by, and I long for the days of Mac being on top as well as me not being on the slippery slope of decline into Bolivion. Neither will recover the old glory.

But, as Clawmaster says, there is a market for guys like me, more than to sell me dick pills and erotic pajamas. A station that can supply pertinent team information and not belittle me for disagreeing with the host's social agenda would satisfy quite large percentage of the population, but I doubt it would be financially viable.

I no longer belong to the most important spending target group.

Off to yell at a cloud.


Don't get me wrong, the product you describe appeals to me. I just don't think Mac has delivered it effectively for a long time. Part of the problem has certainly been his lackluster sidekicks. But Mac himself has also been pretty disengaged for a long time.


Interesting that nobody has attempted to replicate the original formula which created personalities like North, Mac, and Uncle Terry. Fully acknowledge that this is likely impossible on AM radio due to the current political climate, but one would think it could be pulled off in some format. Mac may not be able to bring his fastball everyday, but have thought a "Score Emeritus" type podcast would work and allow unfiltered thoughts to flow, at the least it would be a much more entertaining way to work through cardio sessions.

There is also the rather uncomfortable reality that me and my 40-50 year old buddies are way more emotionally invested in local sports teams than my younger family/co-workers will likely ever have because we grew up an era where you really didn't have anything else to do other than go outside and try to replicate (insert Cub hitters) batting stance while your buddy tossed whiffle balls or tennis balls.

I know at this point I sound like a paid ad read for them, but Barstool has captured some of the best of that original formula. The only thing missing is the callers as callers into a podcast just isn't feasible, but the personalities, opinions, and fun are all still there and keep me listening regularly.

Barstool Chicago is run by people who listened to the same hosts we did their entire lives and the influence of them is clear in each podcast. Had 670 spent time looking for talent rather than recycling producers, perhaps a few of these guys would've landed there before Barstool made them full time. I'd say the chance of 670 or 1000 getting any of the talent from Barstool has passed though. The firing of Danny Mac taught everyone don't try to make a joke or else you might get fired. These guys won't give up their chance to be at a place that lets them say what they want when they want.


I don't blame it on looking to promote producers. I blame it on hiring people with a college degree in communications, as if radio entertainer ever required education. You don't get an A in Communications 101 by asking Pat Riley if he would shave his head for a win.

The Score now has guys who can produce a very professional, by the numbers show.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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they were actively trying to tell you to not listen

yeh yeh yeh

For some reason I suspect the salary NBCSN Chicago pays for pre/post game doesn't exactly cover a Range Rover payment :lol: :lol: :lol:


You can delude yourself into thinking entry level is making it if you set your expectations low enough

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A fanatic seems to me to be someone that behaves somewhat irrationally when exposed to a certain stimuli, in our case it is sports fandom which is a multilayered yet completely irrational fanatic devotion to "our" team. I too have wondered why I spend my fall Sunday afternoons screaming at my TV while fielding texts from friends/family that share the exact same affliction. There seems to be a type of narcotic type sense of well being when the Bears win, a totally irrational feeling because I have no financial or personal stake in the team, likely some type of group belonging need that has been engrained in us as humans.


In game 6 when the Hawks clinched in 2015, Andrew Desjardins took a late penalty while the Hawks were protecting a 2-goal lead. I was beside myself and full of tension and anger. I was pacing, ranting, yelling at Desjardins. My wife questioned why it mattered to me so much. Millionaire players/billionaire owners none of who are my friends or people I will ever meet. We know there is very little loyalty in sports and teams see fans as customers and dollars signs. Why make rooting for a sports team part of your personal identity? I love the Onion's saying on T-shirts "The sports team from my area is superior to the sports team from your area."

Since 2015, I have intentionally detached myself from teams. Teams don't deserve the blind loyalty and we all know there are much better uses of our time and energy. I remember an older colleague telling me back when I was in my 20s how as you get older you'll realize that these teams and wins and losses aren't that important. How right he was. Obviously, I follow sports closely and consume a large amount of sports journalism but my enjoyment of sports is not solely derived from whether some random group of athletes wearing a uniform I have watched for years, wins or loses.


sounds like a perfectly reasonable and passionless existence

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I think you're right and wrong. It's true that the world has passed Mac by. It's passed me by too. But the typical listener is still in the same place Mac and I are. The people that the world has not passed by aren't listening to terrestrial radio anyway.

This is a problem I see with a lot of businesses that see their customer bases aging, e.g. baseball and horse racing. They abandon the customer they have to chase the customer they want. And you know what? It never works.


But Mac and Parkins gave something that both ends of the spectrum could enjoy. It's hard to accurately assess that show since the majority of it occurred during the pandemic. And while McNeil was not what he used to be, he was still entertaining and a good match with Parkins. A Parkins and Spiegel show will provide, to a lesser extent, the same type of balanced show but with better chemistry. Moving forward, it will be rare to find a show with a couple 50+ year old hosts.


It's rare to have found that in the past as well. All the greats in radio seem to burn out in their early 50s. If they are lucky they can drag on to retirement. All the guys from my youth, Dahl, Brandmeier, Matthews, North, Chet...all made big paychecks and all were done in the early 50s in terms of relevance. Stern has somehow been able to hoodwink Sirius but he hasn't been the same in at least a decade.

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They abandon the customer they have to chase the customer they want. And you know what? It never works.

See also: hockey in Phoenix and Raleigh

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1. I enjoyed the star power Mac brought to a broadcast ever since I began listening to Mac, Jurko, & Harry in 2003. Broadcasters like Mac know how to talk Xs and Os with an added spice of personality and fun banter that makes the all-round discussion fun. I became a huge fan of the Boers & Bernstein style show after they moved to afternoons and I finally started to have more of an appreciation of how funny they often were.

2. Now that I am getting older (36 now, have listened to sports radio dating back to single digit age), I have more of an appreciation for older personalities who have the added element of perspective and life experience that many younger voices are yet to have. That doesn't means I dislike hearing shows from younger talent. While I don't listen much to 670 these days, I have listened more to 1250/WSSP in Milwaukee (another station that Mitch Rosen programs), and I have been how different the station sounds with the removal of some of their core veteran voices over the last year.

I do agree with the sentiment expressed that Kap & J Hood have a super fun show. Overall, I like the vibe listening to 1000s more than I do 670 these days. Some shows on 1000 are better than others, but I can't help like the vibe that everyone on that station likes each other, and it makes for a more welcoming experience regardless of who is on the air at at time.

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Clawmaster - you need to post more like every day more. great stuff once again. keep it coming.

Few responses :

1.Mac on his 6th experiment pitch is still 10x better than any of these other guys. If i know Mac is going to be on and have no clue who the guests are lined up or what happened in the chicago sports scene, doesn't matter, i will still tune in because it's Mac. He's a star. Even a over the hill star is still a star. none of these other guys are even close to a star in the biz.

2.Spot on about the younger generation. They don't really give a shit about sports like we did. And that's a good thing. I think i would have accomplished more in my life if it wasn't blind loyalty for the fucking cubs and bears. As an older man, i think back sometimes and am like wtf did i waste all that money, energy, and most importantly TIME on these fuckers. These assholes don't give a shit about me.

Like I use to have this fantasy when I was a kid that I had a magic wand and could say fix the Cubs. I was some kind of sports wizard that I would make all the cubs great and make them win the world series. Use to think like this for a long time....until... i finally realized WHY THE FUCK would I want to do that if I had that power? For example, why would I want George Halas or the Trib Co. to get all the money and praise. They don't deserve it! And Shit, it should be me getting the credit and money.

Maybe I'm nuts to think like that as a kid but i'm sure i'm not alone.


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They abandon the customer they have to chase the customer they want. And you know what? It never works.

See also: hockey in Phoenix and Raleigh

Actually hockey here in Raleigh works as long as the team is somewhat competitive. It's the only pro team, and people will grudgingly follow Charlotte teams but not spend on them.

It's also why Vegas works.

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The Hurricanes fanbase is just redditors who grew up in gated communities. Fuck 'em. There's no fanbase in sports more impressed with itself, which, considering hockey and soccer, is saying something.

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There is also the rather uncomfortable reality that me and my 40-50 year old buddies are way more emotionally invested in local sports teams than my younger family/co-workers will likely ever have because we grew up an era where you really didn't have anything else to do other than go outside and try to replicate (insert Cub hitters) batting stance while your buddy tossed whiffle balls or tennis balls.


Nailed it right there.

Our sports playing son has zero interest in sitting down and watching a game. He just watches highlights on his phone.


I noticed that movement in junior high about 12-13 years ago. It has only gotten worse. They only watch highlights.


Oh, bunk.

We are misremembering our youth. We didn't watch nearly the amount of sports in our teens and early 20s as we remember. I didn't sit in to watch ANY game if I had the opportunity to go out, chase tail and kill brain cells. I certainly had an interest and I would read the newspaper the next day but sports were certainly superseded by more instinctual drives.

I was a big bears fan when I was in grade school. A little less interested in high school. Probably didn't watch a single game in college/grad school years. Late 20s I came back to college and pro football. It was a Saturday/Sunday escape from a life of breaking rocks with 40 years of hard labor staring me in the face.

Young adults are the same today.

Sam Fels was an unusual dork back then in the amount he cared about sports for his age, just as he is now.


You played against the computer when you played video games.

- There was no internet

- No Cell phones, Snap Chat, Instagram or Texting to kill time at home.

There is minimal interest in watching sports or caring who is on what team. Premier League soccer has been talked about more than Baseball in my classrooms over the last decade. I work with a high school who hasn't had to cut from the frosh baseball team in 5 years due to lack of kids trying out. Football teams are having to combine levels all over the area and basketball tryouts no longer get 50 plus kids. They are not playing or watching sports. Unless you consider twitch streams of video gamers an athletic competition.

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Just kidding Parkins/Spiegel...what's old is new!


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speigal and parkins are good together. now reel in riordan a bit


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Haugh with always the blistering take, I'm sure this was a tough decision for Spiegel, he had so many other opportunities.



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Congrats to meatpants. I have been a huge critic of his around here, but he handled himself well since his demotion a couple years back. Instead of going whiney asshat like Goff he did what he needed to get by and I respect that. I hope the show does well.

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Congrats to meatpants. I have been a huge critic of his around here, but he handled himself well since his demotion a couple years back. Instead of going whiney asshat like Goff he did what he needed to get by and I respect that.


Yes, but as I recall, they were pretty clear that they were going to use Spiegel as a baseball contributor and all-around substitute host while Goff was just "on the sidelines." So yeah, Spiegel did a good job of reacting to not getting fired while Goff did a poor job reacting to actually getting fired.

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Congrats to meatpants. I have been a huge critic of his around here, but he handled himself well since his demotion a couple years back. Instead of going whiney asshat like Goff he did what he needed to get by and I respect that. I hope the show does well.


i mean, he was under contract so all he had to do was do whatever the station told him to do and he'd get paid the same no matter what... so ya, i'd fall in line too if i were in his position


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Congrats to meatpants. I have been a huge critic of his around here, but he handled himself well since his demotion a couple years back. Instead of going whiney asshat like Goff he did what he needed to get by and I respect that.


Yes, but as I recall, they were pretty clear that they were going to use Spiegel as a baseball contributor and all-around substitute host while Goff was just "on the sidelines." So yeah, Spiegel did a good job of reacting to not getting fired while Goff did a poor job reacting to actually getting fired.

That is why I phrased it as a demotion.

But do you really think the meatpants from a few years ago would have been ok with such demotion and still went along with some crumbs thrown his way? I don't. He would have been a huge assbag. So he is showing some growth and I can respect that. Now I definitely understand in a month I may completely go back to hating meatpants :lol:

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he just said cant do it is back... hooray?


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speigal and parkins are good together. now reel in riordan a bit


have to wait to see how interested spiegal is when he can start playing gigs again

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Is speigs going to continue to do his saturday baseball show w/ Levine?

Goff got screwed.


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Congrats to meatpants. I have been a huge critic of his around here, but he handled himself well since his demotion a couple years back. Instead of going whiney asshat like Goff he did what he needed to get by and I respect that.


Yes, but as I recall, they were pretty clear that they were going to use Spiegel as a baseball contributor and all-around substitute host while Goff was just "on the sidelines." So yeah, Spiegel did a good job of reacting to not getting fired while Goff did a poor job reacting to actually getting fired.

That is why I phrased it as a demotion.

But do you really think the meatpants from a few years ago would have been ok with such demotion and still went along with some crumbs thrown his way? I don't. He would have been a huge assbag. So he is showing some growth and I can respect that. Now I definitely understand in a month I may completely go back to hating meatpants :lol:



this is correct - I think he has learned a lot from Levine about maturity these past 2 years.


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Goff got screwed.

No, Spiegel did. Spiegel's show didn't get its ass kicked by AM1000.

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Did Parkins address his absence last week? He promised full transparency.

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