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Congradulations on being the tallest dwarf Mac.

Good luck cashing in your midday "success"

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What sports knowledge do you glean from Silvy and Waddle?


I prefer the hosts to do research and to possibly watch sports. Then, I would like the host(s) to talk about the event and give their opinion on it. I get that from S&W


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What sports knowledge do you glean from Silvy and Waddle?


I prefer the hosts to do research and to possibly watch sports. Then, I would like the host(s) to talk about the event and give their opinion on it. I get that from S&W


That's cool. I like Silvy. Waddle sucks.

I like Spiegel. Mac isn't bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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because they're the franchise. and you know what? until m&h... m&m owned the score in morning drive.

But M&M didn't have a better show 5 years ago than they do now. It's the exact same show. So when they were beating the Score regularly it probably spoke more to the lack of quality of North's show than it did the quality of their show.

Similarly, I think what some people are saying here is that the Score beating 1000 speaks more to the lack of quality at 1000. The Score should be a much better sports station, and JORR has pretty much nailed the reason for that. But as long as you guys beat the vanilla shitshake of a show that 1000 puts out you're content. Can't say I blame you, I just wouldn't make the mistake of thinking those ratings indicating that the listeners are thoroughly satisfied with the product you guys put out.


This is something that I have long believed for B and B. MJH destroyed them for a decade. Now, with 1000 conceeding the spot, they get top ratings and are somehow crowned the power couple at the station. I think the afternoon drive is an underperforming asset at the Score but management is satisfied with just winning.

I don't believe M and M ever won their timeslot until North took over mornings. Think about the history of bad offered by the Score in the mornings but M and M never broke through until North. He drove listeners away from a long held habit. That's a difficult accomplishment

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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M&M is a poor show. It has been about 5 years since I listened, and their act was very stale back then. I can recall the stupid "sheet of integrity crap" and Greenie making that dumb joke about the difference between a nanny and au pair. They would run through lists of everything and then roll through the usual stable of ESPN experts. Every "expert" was the greatest baseball guy until the next baseball guy came on. Typical ESPN crap. I know folks who moved to the area and loved the show because it strayed away from Chicago focused sports talk. But I think most natives prefer the Score. Sadly, the Score has moved from fan friendly to fan bashing. Anyone telling a fan they shouldn't be excited that their team won a meaningless regular season game is just a cranky bastard.


BTW, Waddle is akin to Boers in terms of watching sports. I think I listened to him for a week and realized he doesn't watch sports.

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I have said it before and I will say it again now. If anyone knew what the fuck they were doing at ESPN 1000 they would pull CJH off the air today. Afternoon drive has gotta be a big money maker for the stations and it's being wasted on talentless hacks like Carmen and Harry. Jurko may know less about what's going on in the sports world than the two other Dbags, but at least he is entertaining. Carmen couldn't be more bland if he tried. You could basically insert any of the update guys that either station has and they would have the same personality as that doofus. As for Harry, 10 years of listening to his bad jokes and blowing the athletes on the radio is enough. He should have been sent packing when he messed up about a year ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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BTW, Waddle is akin to Boers in terms of watching sports. I think I listened to him for a week and realized he doesn't watch sports.


Except for the fact that Boers is funny.

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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Boers isn't funny. My six year old makes funny noises and underwear jokes. He's not funny either.

Boers is the worst regular host on either station. A dead weight hanging around the Score's neck.

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
Congradulations on being the tallest dwarf Mac.

Good luck cashing in your midday "success"



Bad analogy there. The Score beat its main competitor and is doing great in the demo that matters. You should have stopped your post at the misspelled "congradulations".

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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Boers isn't funny. My six year old makes funny noises and underwear jokes. He's not funny either.

Boers is the worst regular host on either station. A dead weight hanging around the Score's neck.

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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I have said it before and I will say it again now. If anyone knew what the fuck they were doing at ESPN 1000 they would pull CJH off the air today. Afternoon drive has gotta be a big money maker for the stations and it's being wasted on talentless hacks like Carmen and Harry. Jurko may know less about what's going on in the sports world than the two other Dbags, but at least he is entertaining. Carmen couldn't be more bland if he tried. You could basically insert any of the update guys that either station has and they would have the same personality as that doofus. As for Harry, 10 years of listening to his bad jokes and blowing the athletes on the radio is enough. He should have been sent packing when he messed up about a year ago.


10 years? That hump has been not entertaining listeners for almost 20.

I will not even give CJH a try simply because of Harry. I heard enough of that crap when he was with Dan.

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spanky wrote:
Boers isn't funny. My six year old makes funny noises and underwear jokes. He's not funny either.

Boers is the worst regular host on either station. A dead weight hanging around the Score's neck.


The sad thing is he used to be incredibly funny with lots of original thoughts. I can remember him from the DH articles and Chicago Sports Fire as well as HFC. Anywhere he appeared was worth a watch, read, or listen. But the current version of Boers is pathetic. So you are right.

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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spanky wrote:
Boers isn't funny. My six year old makes funny noises and underwear jokes. He's not funny either.

Boers is the worst regular host on either station. A dead weight hanging around the Score's neck.




Your six year old is funny when making fun of me for watching chick flicks!!

:D :D


I think Boers is entertaining now at least. I mean it's entertaining when he tries to finish a complete thought without getting sidetracked onto something totally different than what he was originally talking about.

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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Congradulations on being the tallest dwarf Mac.

Good luck cashing in your midday "success"



Bad analogy there. The Score beat its main competitor and is doing great in the demo that matters. You should have stopped your post at the misspelled "congradulations".

Middays are one step better than over nights. Winning middays is no big deal. If Mac were so great he would be doing morning or afternoon drive.

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
If Mac were so great he would be doing morning or afternoon drive.

I think he'd do well in those slots (again) also.
Don't you?

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Yeah really. He already showed he could beat B&B with Harry as a side kick.....

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spanky wrote:
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If Mac were so great he would be doing morning or afternoon drive.

I think he'd do well in those slots (again) also.
Don't you?

It's not like they have all star teams doing them now.

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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:lol: Gloop who you crappin man? If Mac was in drive time you would still be bitching about him.

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WSOX. Sox bump. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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:lol: Gloop who you crappin man? If Mac was in drive time you would still be bitching about him.

There must be a reason why Mitch keeps his most valuable commodity in the weakest time slot that generates less revenue.

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 Post subject: Re: Clean Sweep
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How about the overall ratings (as opposed to the 25-54 demo)


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This is something that I have long believed for B and B. MJH destroyed them for a decade. Now, with 1000 conceeding the spot, they get top ratings and are somehow crowned the power couple at the station. I think the afternoon drive is an underperforming asset at the Score but management is satisfied with just winning.


Boers & Bernstein is my favorite radio show. Ever. But in the grand scheme of things, I'm not convinced it should be the flagship program of a sports talk station like Mac's should, which, in being sports and guy stuff, is like textbook sports talk radio for a large audience. The whole "we're smarter than everyone and make fun of everything and keep sports in perspective" concept isn't what you build a sports talk station around. Is it? I mean, I guess it is now, because every not-ready-for-prime-time updater/producer gets his marching orders from that show, but it's to the station's detriment that they do. Sports talk is populist noisemaking, and sometimes that's good. I enjoy Mac's show too (unless it's college or fantasy, in which case I don't). Me, I love esoteric crap, but I'm not convinced the entire market does. I am convinced they think Harry Teinowitz does a really shitty show, however.

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This is something that I have long believed for B and B. MJH destroyed them for a decade. Now, with 1000 conceeding the spot, they get top ratings and are somehow crowned the power couple at the station. I think the afternoon drive is an underperforming asset at the Score but management is satisfied with just winning.


Boers & Bernstein is my favorite radio show. Ever. But in the grand scheme of things, I'm not convinced it should be the flagship program of a sports talk station like Mac's should, which, in being sports and guy stuff, is like textbook sports talk radio for a large audience. The whole "we're smarter than everyone and make fun of everything and keep sports in perspective" concept isn't what you build a sports talk station around. Is it? I mean, I guess it is now, because every not-ready-for-prime-time updater/producer gets his marching orders from that show, but it's to the station's detriment that they do. Sports talk is populist noisemaking, and sometimes that's good. I enjoy Mac's show too (unless it's college or fantasy, in which case I don't). Me, I love esoteric crap, but I'm not convinced the entire market does. I am convinced they think Harry Teinowitz does a really shitty show, however.


That's the way I see it as well. B and B should be a cult classic, indie type of show, instead of the marquee. That is not a knock on the show but more of a statement that I don't want to look at the sports world through B and B colored glasses.

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I think its important to point out that the B and B way (making fun of everything and keeping sports in perspective) is 100% Bernstein. Not Boers.

Boers is a chameleon. He could do a show like Mac's and be the same guy. He's just along for the ride.


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Mac and Spiegs need to move to afternoons. S&W is a good show as Mac stated many times, not sure if B&B could beat it, that is the only reason to keep things the way they are due to Mac being able to dominate.
With Harry being Harry and Jurko asleep half the time, Mac kicked the shit out of B&B, so I think that shows who the listeners really want.
I do not listen to either at drive time. Carmen is unlistenable. We get it, you're Italian. Enough. Harry is still Harry. I like Jurko. B&B used to be really good, now unlistenable as well.
If SCR could find a show to beat W&S other than Mac, the move to afternoons would be best for listeners of both stations. Having the only two decent shows on at same time sucks.

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because they're the franchise. and you know what? until m&h... m&m owned the score in morning drive.

Say what you will about M&M, but the fact that M&H beat them is a sorry commentary on Chicagoland. The fact that many Chicagoans listen to M&H is worse than the Penn Staters still backing JoePa.

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Mac's strangely concerned with how much the Bears pay Forte. Dan, you didn't buy Bears shares, did you?

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I honestly don't think ESPN1000 cares too much about the ratings. It's all about being safe and branding of ESPN.

Otherwise the ouster of Mac would have never taken place.


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because they're the franchise. and you know what? until m&h... m&m owned the score in morning drive.

But M&M didn't have a better show 5 years ago than they do now. It's the exact same show. So when they were beating the Score regularly it probably spoke more to the lack of quality of North's show than it did the quality of their show.

Similarly, I think what some people are saying here is that the Score beating 1000 speaks more to the lack of quality at 1000. The Score should be a much better sports station, and JORR has pretty much nailed the reason for that. But as long as you guys beat the vanilla shitshake of a show that 1000 puts out you're content. Can't say I blame you, I just wouldn't make the mistake of thinking those ratings indicating that the listeners are thoroughly satisfied with the product you guys put out.


This is something that I have long believed for B and B. MJH destroyed them for a decade. Now, with 1000 conceeding the spot, they get top ratings and are somehow crowned the power couple at the station. I think the afternoon drive is an underperforming asset at the Score but management is satisfied with just winning.

I don't believe M and M ever won their timeslot until North took over mornings. Think about the history of bad offered by the Score in the mornings but M and M never broke through until North. He drove listeners away from a long held habit. That's a difficult accomplishment


How dare you criticize B&B!They're beating AM1000 damnit! I have said what you just said for years. B&B are puffy chested, but if they had a real show to compete with, they would get trounced. Like I said last week, B&B is the lowest rated show at the Score. Mitch is a play it safe passive Manager. If he had the balls to make some bold changes at the Score & go younger, WSCR would widen the gap between them & AM1000.

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