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Post subject: Re: Mac's 4/2 Column on Cutler

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hackwilson's ribbies wrote:

Mac wrote:

noted, hackwilsonsribbies.... i saw you had that. when i said 'nobody'... i meant figuratively, not literally. it's amazing to me all the debate is on cutler's skills... cutler's attitude... how much you want to part with draft picks, etc., and the bears long-standing tradition of not developing skilled position players doesn't get the time of day.

to your question, gloop, i don't mean that. i think in this instance it is foolish to give up high draft picks for a guy who likely won't reach his potential with this coaching staff. i'm all for a skilled quarterback fronting the bears. i think this is a risk/reward dealio. i'd pass.

Then what is to be done with this coaching staff? Isn't one of their primary functions to evaluate and develop their employees? Why the hell do we have to accept the fact that our ownership doesn't see that they're just dumping money on "products" (players=commodities) that will never fulfill expectations because they are not used correctly. God, I hate this team - I wish they would've moved out of state a decade ago like they were talking about so I could have just divorced myself from this shitty franchise...

Uhuhuhuhum....Can I issue a retraction? :oops:

I'm just so used to the beloved falling short in a bidding war such as this that I tried to brace myself for another disappointment. GREAT job, Jerry! hackwilson's ribbies + meatball fan = match

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WestmontMike wrote:

Maybe bigfan can delete this thread

People are extra funny today...keep it up guys...

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Gloopan Kuratz

Post subject: Re: Mac's 4/2 Column on Cutler

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:50 pm

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Mac wrote:

i should open a restaurant in your neighborhood, gloop. i will serve filet of pure shit every thursday, knowing your sorry ass will be the first through the door to sit down for full plate.

My fifteen year old has better comebacks than this lame POS.

Mackyfish, you might have had a point if you said why get Cutler if you have no one for him to throw the ball to.

If they suck this year, Mike Shannahan will be in town next year.

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Post subject: Re: Mac's 4/2 Column on Cutler

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:53 pm

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gloopy wrote: Mackyfish, you might have had a point if you said why get Cutler if you have no one for him to throw the ball to.

because quarterbacks make receivers 99 percent of the time, not the other way around.

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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:45 pm

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To Mac's point about QB's making receivers and not the other way around, just look up here in cheeseland.

Who were the wideouts for Brett Favre? Only one hall of famer, eh, Sterling Sharpe.

Think about the rest. Freeman, Brooks, Driver, Rison, Chmura, Franks, Schroeder, Beebe, Kitrick Taylor, and an odd assortment of others.

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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:02 pm

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I didn't think the Bears had the resources or the guts to pull off this trade for Jay Cutler. I'm absolutely, positively surprised & humbled, fans. Most "experts" had him going to places like Washington or Tampa Bay instead of here...This better not be a repeat of the Rick Mirer fiasco with Seattle or both GM Jerry Angelo & head coach Lovie Smith better update their resumes!

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Would the Vikings trade for Herschel Walker again?

Running back. Apples and oranges. RBs are never, ever, ever worth that much.

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Would the Saints trade for Ricky Williams again?

Running back. Apples and oranges.

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Would the Bears trade a first round pick for Rick Mirer again?

Mirer was on the road to semi-bustdom when that trade was made. Apples and, well, maybe something closer to apples. Rotten apples, perhaps.

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Post subject: Re: Mac's 4/2 Column on Cutler

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:35 am

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T-Bone wrote:

Bears should stay away from erratic Cutler

April 2, 2009
BY DAN MCNEIL

Perhaps Cutler would feel secure only if Denver invited Uncle Rico to camp to compete with him.

Now to complete the acquisition, there has to be a Sean Salisbury sighting at Halas Hall.

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FIRST TIME CALLER

Post subject: Re: Mac's 4/2 Column on Cutler

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:59 am

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SHARK wrote:

Let's end the fantasy right here, right now. The Bears aren't getting Jay Cutler, in part because I think he's very erratic and I think he's kinda smug. I also don't think the Bears have nearly enough to give the Broncos in return. Besides, "The SCORE's" Hub Arkush believes he's a prima donna. Your starting quarterback in Green Bay is already on this team, Kyle Orton. Deal with it!

DOH !!!

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Gloopan Kuratz

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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:10 am

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Mac wrote:

When did the Eagles make the Super Bowl?

The year they had TO.

Do you honestly expect Cutler to put up the same numbers he did in Denver with the retread receivers the Bears have? Or will you just blame Lovie and the boys?

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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:36 am

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The Eagles also got contributions from Todd Pinkston and Greg Lewis.

How did Alvin Harper do in Tampa when he didn't have Aikman getting him the ball?

How was Randy Moss' production with the Raiders?

Great quarterbacks make stars out of receivers.

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Slap Shot ED

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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:49 am

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Cutler already has had an impact as he got Urlacher to pick up the phone and talk with Silvvy. Only took Cutler to break a 4 year muzzle on 54's silence with the Chicago media.

Nice job to Sillvy and his staff.

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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:56 am

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I never really thought about Mac's point much that a quarterback makes the receiver. I always assumed it was a symbiotic relationship - you have to have a quarterback with a strong enough arm and accurate passing to hit a receiver who has enough speed to separate from coverage.

I'd be interested to see how this scenario plays out with Hester and Bennett this year.

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SHARK

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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:21 pm

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FIRST TIME CALLER wrote:

SHARK wrote:

DOH !!!

I'm glad I was wrong on this...This deal looks like a long term doozy for the Bears. I'm still reminded of what GM Jerry Angelo said about "stabilizing the quarterback position" right after the season ended, and for once, Angelo FINALLY GOT THIS ONE RIGHT!

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Phil McCracken

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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:35 pm

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SHARK wrote:

Angelo FINALLY GOT THIS ONE RIGHT!

BITE!!!!!

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RPB is right. You suck. :lol:

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SHARK

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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:40 pm

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Phil McCracken wrote:

SHARK wrote:

Angelo FINALLY GOT THIS ONE RIGHT!

BITE!!!!!

Thanks, Phil...I'm definitely eating plenty of humble pie on this one, but the more I think about it, the more I like the deal for the Bears. Besides, at chicagobears.com, fans can order a replica #6 Cutler jersey, home or away, for $80. I'm not making this up!

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SHARK

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AF3 wrote:

I agree that QBs often make WRs and not the other way around. That said, let's get Torry Holt here.

Torry's available, AF3. I think that's part of why Hub Arkush isn't as sold on Jay Cutler in a Bear uniform as so many other fans...Hub is really down on this receiving corp, and it's hard not to argue when Devin Hester was the team's leading receiver with just over 600 yards for the year!

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SHARK wrote:

Phil McCracken wrote:

SHARK wrote:

Angelo FINALLY GOT THIS ONE RIGHT!

BITE!!!!!

Besides, at chicagobears.com, fans can order a replica #6 Cutler jersey, home or away, for $80. I'm not making this up!

I can't do this all day!

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I'd like to smack the Shamwow! guy...Man, he is annoying!!!!

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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:38 pm

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Why don't you punch his prostate instead.

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Why don't you punch his prostate instead.

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Gloopan Kuratz

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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:36 pm

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Mac wrote:

The Eagles also got contributions from Todd Pinkston and Greg Lewis. Puhlease.

How did Alvin Harper do in Tampa when he didn't have Aikman getting him the ball? He was old.

How was Randy Moss' production with the Raiders? They had absolutely no QB.
Great quarterbacks make stars out of receivers.

The question still stands..... Do you honestly believe that Cutler can throw for even 3500 yards with the crappy receivers that they have?

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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:59 am

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Mac wrote:

I will serve filet of pure shit every thursday.

Brown Appetit! :shock:

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Irish Boy wrote:

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Would the Vikings trade for Herschel Walker again?

Running back. Apples and oranges. RBs are never, ever, ever worth that much.

Quote:

Would the Saints trade for Ricky Williams again?

Running back. Apples and oranges.

Quote:

Would the Bears trade a first round pick for Rick Mirer again?

Mirer was on the road to semi-bustdom when that trade was made. Apples and, well, maybe something closer to apples. Rotten apples, perhaps.

Do you agree or disagree with the assertion that in the history of big trades in the NFL that most of them have ended up being more beneficial for the team that received draft picks rather than the current or future superstar that was traded for?

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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:47 pm

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Yes. But never, in the history of the NFL, has a pro bowl QB been traded when he was under 30 years old. Cutler is well below 30.

Guess what? It will never happen again.

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Beardown wrote:

Guess what? It will never happen again.

Unless you believe that the Bears are deserving of some amazing karma for decades of bad football QB play doesn't this throw up some question marks?

Why is Jay Cutler so easily traded by a team because of a stupid squabble over a failed trade for a clearly inferior QB?

Either the Broncos are the dumbest offensive judges of talent in the NFL or the Bears are. Do you trust Jerry Angelo to be the genius in this one?

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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:04 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Beardown wrote:

Guess what? It will never happen again.

Why? Because some "in-over-his-head" kid is the coach of the Broncos and has a "my penis is bigger than your penis" thing going on. This guy is totally insane. He'll be fired in 2 years and never be a head coach again.

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Beardown wrote:

So you are placing your faith in Jerry Angelo's offensive talent judging because you feel that the people running the Broncos are insane?

I don't know about you, but that doesn't exactly calm my fears on why the Broncos were so willing to get rid of the savior.

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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:41 pm

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Why the hell wouldn't you trust Mike Shanahan? He's one of the greatest offensive minds in the game. He picked Cutler. He loved him. This new coach got rid of him. Not only that, 10 teams wanted him when he was available.

Shit, Jerry Angelo picked your beloved Kyle Orton didn't he? So he must know something. :wink:

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Beardown wrote:

Why the hell wouldn't you trust Mike Shanahan? He's one of the greatest offensive minds in the game. He picked Cutler. He loved him.

Cutler is a good QB. I would have taken him out of college too. That doesn't change the question marks now.

Beardown wrote:

Shit, Jerry Angelo picked your beloved Kyle Orton didn't he? So he must know something. :wink:

My beloved Kyle Orton? Here we go again. I thought Kyle Orton was better than Rex. He was. I thought Kyle Orton would improve last year when given a training camp to be the starter. He did. I thought he would improve again next year. He will.

I'll take Cutler over Orton easily. I'm just not sure that I take Cutler over Orton + 2 really high draft picks + 1 good draft pick.

My guy is Drew Brees but I will be rooting for Orton to succeed in Denver.

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