I never thought much about it, how much time do horses need to rest between races?

I wondered the same thing. For people, a 2 minute race is about an 800 meter run. Would a track athlete have nothing left in the tank if he ran 800's every two weeks. How long does it take a horse to fully recover?

That owner was a complete dbag. He could have just congratulated the winner and been gracious. Wow, now he will be forever hated. Jorr said it correctly, it's supposed to be very difficult.

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Good question. I also wondered. JORR how much rest do they typically need?

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He should also probably consider himself lucky that tonalist didn't run the first two. CC may not have even been in position for the TC.

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FYI, The Predicteform.com

has been pretty good on these races. They stated the best challenge would be from TONALIST, based on their calcs.

These guys really just look at stats. They dont look at the horse. As I watched the prerace hype and all the "TV experts" going Wicked Strong, Curlin, etc...they really ignored Tonalist and I figured I already had a place wager on CC, I went across on 11. Paid very well.

Predicteform guys basically partnered up with the guys who started equibase years ago and made it much better, so it is a mix of old and new and they had quite a good triple corwn run.

The info is really in depth and does take some time to read.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

He took a really good story and fucked it up. In his fucked up world the Belmont should have had 3 runners If I want small fields I'll bet Churchill. I'm a dickwad ,but if I owned Chrome. I would have just said that Tonalist was better on this day....giving the connections their due and not taking away from Chromes accomplishments. I could not think of a better name for their partnership then Dumb Ass. He is a classless douche.

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

The one thing that I question, is that it was widely known by MANY that the others might gang up on CC and try to stop him.

I guess, if I was in that position of making history and you are already about as ALL IN as could be, might have really gone for the lead and try to run it wire to wire, avoiding the inevtiable target on your back.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Bigfan - do you pay for the info on the site you listed or is there somewhere to get free analysis?

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They gave the big races for free as it is kind of new.

I paid for one day at Arlington, was $10. I think you really need to study the info and learn what all their measures mean.

They are very big on trending horses, those that are doing better each race. They have charts, symbols etc.

I also listened to their podcast.

The forms dont really give you any summary of here is what we think will happen 3-7-10, they just give you the info, which is why you really need to read everything. Will admit, it was a bit too much to keep it fun, but they seem to know what they are doing.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

The huge gaps between races is more a function of a horse's value than any necessity based upon a reluctance to physically abuse him. A cheap horse may race every two or three weeks all summer. When you're racing for $500,000 and up there's no need to race a lot.

The big issue is that a trainer can point a horse for the Preakness or Belmont while the Derby winner has no such luxury. But that's part of what makes it so difficult. If you made the relatively minor change of switching the dates for the Derby and the Preakness there would likely be more Triple Crown winners. As it is, a horse has to be trained up to and stretched out to the classic distance of a mile and a quarter, then with just a two week turn around shorten up to a mile and 3/16 that often plays like a sprint on a track with tight turns, and finally only three weeks after that stretch all the way back out to a mile and a half, a distance none of them has ever gone and most will never go again. If they were rearranged to be 1-3/16, 1-1/4, 1-1/2 it would be a more natural progression. But again, it's not supposed to be easy.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

This have something to do with the loss?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Also, there is no law that says the Kentucky Derby winner must start in the Preakness. I remember it was a big deal when Spend A Buck skipped the Preakness after winning the Derby. There was a bonus offered to a horse that had won two earlier preps in New Jersey and the Kentucky and Jersey Derbies. Spend A Buck swept all four but had to skip the Preakness and Belmont to do it. He got an extra $2 million for his trouble and it inspired the Triple Crown to offer its own bonus to make sure that something like that didn't happen again.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Did you se what the perfecta paid out. Holy shit!!!!!

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Did you mean TRIFECTA


$2 exacta (11-8), $348
$1 trifecta (11-8-1), $3,390.50
$.10 superfecta (11-8-1-2), $380.80
$.10 superfecta (11-8-1-9), $573.35

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

yeah sorry . I should know all the terms by heart. I was brought up in the buisness

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Of course you were

I'm sure that didn't help him, but I wouldn't say it's why he lost. He's run a big campaign already and he didn't figure to get a buck and a half.

The problem with this Coburn guy is that he started to believe he and his partner were geniuses rather than two lucky sons of bitches who bred a turd to a turd and got this horse.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

If they changed the triple crown rules, it would cheapen the meaning of it. There is a reason we haven't seen one since 1978.

Coburn was on with Robin Roberts weeping and apologizing this morning.

You had the right idea abut California Chrome going to the lead. Too bad Espinoza didn't share it. He might have won the race. No pace at all and a member of Pletcher's "B" team almost stole it. I think Samraat might have been able to win it on the front too, but the boy put him in a fucking chokehold.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

JORR, what were your thoughts when he took him so wide in the last turn? I know there has been a lot of talk of this and would be curious to hear yours?

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I didn't think that was a problem at that point. He got him clear. If he had been good he would have won from there. You could see he didn't have it. His ears weren't up and going like they had been in the other two races.

The thing about the Belmont is that it's a speed race. If you can make the front and control the pace that's what you should do. But jockeys are intimidated by the distance and think they have plenty of time. The truth is when they go a slow half mile, you're severely compromised coming from behind. An inferior horse almost lasted on the lead in there.

Horsemen like to laugh at gamblers and call us "goofs from the grandstand". But they could learn a lot about pace and the "shape" of a race from gamblers. I actually heard Mike Oosting argue with a guy that a parked out horse wasn't traveling any further than the one on the rail. "They all have to go a mile." My god! This was the leading driver in Chicago. If he had had any sense at all maybe he never would have lost a race.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Thanks

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That was the race to do it in. The pace was moderate for the Belmont, but he wouldn't have run into any trouble either.

Well, did anyone listen to WWN and myself?


I didn't

Was being cheap and only did a $45 Pick 4 singling to Cali Chrome at the end. Had I spent another $45 and included Tonalist on my Pick 4, I would have hit to the tune of $425. Not huge, but still would have been better than losing.

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Spmack, people would rather give blow jobs than give me credit, beside the $10 and $10 I had the Belmont Cup /Belmont Double for $120 something .

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

We saw the giant picture you posted of Tonalist, you cranky old fucker. Congratulations!

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don