Damn thank you wwn, i was drowning in Gereaux and the wps bet on #2 saved my ass. Still wouldve been nice to be up but i will take staying alive.

I had the worst bad beat on this race.

Had Da Big Boss, Bullard's Alley and Greengrassofwyoming in my tri-fecta. Greengrassofwyoming is leading Rum Tum Tugger in 3rd position with a 1/16 mi. to go but is overtaken before the wire.

When I watched this race, I could have sworn the jockey for Greengrassofwyoming pulled on the reins. The horse flies by Rum Tum with about 1 1/8 to go and then doesn't sustain the lead. I couldn't understand for the life of me what the jockey was doing except wanting to get beat. Either that jockey was completely inept or he was fixing the race. Yes, I dare say it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmoWi4nHG_g

I had the worst bad beat on this race.

Had Da Big Boss, Bullard's Alley and Greengrassofwyoming in my tri-fecta. Greengrassofwyoming is leading Rum Tum Tugger in 3rd position with a 1/16 mi. to go but is overtaken before the wire.

When I watched this race, I could have sworn the jockey for Greengrassofwyoming pulled on the reins. The horse flies by Rum Tum with about 1 1/8 to go and then doesn't sustain the lead. I couldn't understand for the life of me what the jockey was doing except wanting to get beat. Either that jockey was completely inept or he was fixing the race. Yes, I dare say it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmoWi4nHG_g

I quit betting the ponies in 1985 after I watched the great Dave Magee pulled back on the reins and lose at the wire.

Some level of horse racing is fixed. How much are you willing to accept and still bet?

I quit betting the ponies in 1985 after I watched the great Dave Magee pulled back on the reins and lose at the wire.

Some level of horse racing is fixed. How much are you willing to accept and still bet?

Basically anytime I lose its because the driver was in the tank and anytime I win its because I'm a damn fine handicapper.

Nobody is in the tank going for 600 grand. Of that I can assure you.

Of course guys have tried to fix races and sometimes succeeded, but the reward has to be worth the risk. In the heyday of harness racing in New York there was one trifecta a night and the pool was huge. If you knew the favorite was going to be off the board you could do business. It's not that easy to "fix" a race.

I find it somewhat funny that Seacrest believes Magee pulled a horse up before the wire. You couldn't be that obvious and get away with it. And I'm not telling you Magee never participated in these things, although his reputation is and always has been that of a Boy Scout. He was driving the off the board favorite in the bad race that got Brian Pelling kicked out of Chicago, but no one ever really questioned him. Sometimes when a guy is "pulling the reins back", the horse is completely empty and spitting the bit and the driver is trying to get him to take hold for one last push.

There are a lot less "bad" races now that the pools are smaller. It just isn't worth getting caught. But that makes a place like Hawthorne where the handle is still relatively good and the purses are tiny a place that is ripe for cheaters.

Most of the cheating you see in racing today is just the opposite. Guys doing any fucking thing to win. Drugging the shit out of some poor animal. Like when Baffert embarrassed the sport at Saratoga last month.

You just described 90% of all the guys at any racetrack.

Like when Baffert embarrassed the sport at Saratoga last month.

I missed that. What did Baffert do?

Whatever the fuck he put in Arrogate and Defrong was absolutely shameful. It's one thing when guys like Scott Lake jack up a claimer, but what Baffert did on one of racing's biggest stages is criminal.

I see your point. Or maybe he just got lucky with the next Secretariat.

Back on this race, there's no doubt in my mind now the jockey and track rigged it. Greengrassofwyoming at 7/2 was one of three favorites along with the Da Big Boss at 1/9 and Seve's Rd. at 6-1. By having the horse finish where it did in 4th, it not only busted the tri-fecta bets, but took away a sure show bet that would have paid out even or higher. So the track only had to pay the heavy, heavy favorite, plus Bullard's Alley (10-1) for show and the paltry exacta payout. There was no damage for the track beyond that, which is why they did it.

I've tried my best to explain parimutuels. Someone else wanna give it a shot? Walt? spmack?

I've tried my best to explain parimutuels. Someone else wanna give it a shot? Walt? spmack?

Yes, I've heard you before talk about how only a few horses try in any given race. The rest just gallop. Is that what you meant here?

But the racing manager is agreeing with me that what the jockey did was dubious. He did not urge his horse on, which he's obligated to do.

One decent race this weekend, the G1 Northern Dancer Turf Stakes with Big Blue Kitten. Turf doesn't seem JORR's cup of tea, though.

Yes, I've heard you before talk about how only a few horses try in any given race. The rest just gallop. Is that what you meant here?

But the racing manager is agreeing with me that what the jockey did was dubious. He did not urge his horse on, which he's obligated to do.

One decent race this weekend, the G1 Northern Dancer Turf Stakes with Big Blue Kitten. Turf doesn't seem JORR's cup of tea, though.

No Show betting in the Woodbine Mile as I had mentioned in another thread

One decent race this weekend, the G1 Northern Dancer Turf Stakes with Big Blue Kitten. Turf doesn't seem JORR's cup of tea, though.

Yeah, I'm a fucking American. I prefer my horses racing on dirt. But I do enjoy betting maidens regardless of surface and I also like 1-1/16 turf races.