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Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:29 am ]
Post subject:  Saratoga Opener
Saratoga opening, but where's Walt?

Two stakes races in the 8th and 9th, including the Peter Pan at 1 1/8 mi.

Here's the field.

# Horse M/L Odds
1 Mo Hawk 20/1 -
2 Country Grammer 7/2 -
3 Modernist 7/2 -
4 Celtic Striker 12/1 -
5 Candy Tycoon 5/1 -
6 Mystic Guide 5/2 -
7 Caracaro 6/1 -
8 Chestertown 10/1 -
9 Katzarelli 30/1
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Saratoga Opener
Dignified Rube wrote:
Saratoga opening, but where's Walt?

Two stakes races in the 8th and 9th, including the Peter Pan at 1 1/8 mi.

Here's the field.

# Horse M/L Odds
1 Mo Hawk 20/1 -
2 Country Grammer 7/2 -
3 Modernist 7/2 -
4 Celtic Striker 12/1 -
5 Candy Tycoon 5/1 -
6 Mystic Guide 5/2 -
7 Caracaro 6/1 -
8 Chestertown 10/1 -
9 Katzarelli 30/1
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Saratoga Opener
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Saratoga opening, but where's Walt?

Two stakes races in the 8th and 9th, including the Peter Pan at 1 1/8 mi.

Here's the field.

# Horse M/L Odds
1 Mo Hawk 20/1 -
2 Country Grammer 7/2 -
3 Modernist 7/2 -
4 Celtic Striker 12/1 -
5 Candy Tycoon 5/1 -
6 Mystic Guide 5/2 -
7 Caracaro 6/1 -
8 Chestertown 10/1 -
9 Katzarelli 30/1

right here :D
Author:  Rod [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Saratoga Opener
I think Country Grammer is sitting on a big one.
Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Saratoga Opener
I'm thinking Caracaro with Javier might blow the doors off all these horses, but I also like Celtic Striker's recent form here.

Celtic Striker won the Easy Goer at Belmont at 1 1/16 mi. at 1:42 and 1 under a hand ride for the last sixteenth.
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Saratoga Opener
Saratoga Late Pick 4

Race 7…Man the 4-Minit Maus fits with speed and distance/surface questions…20-1 on the m/l???...I’m going to lean on the 1-Astoria Kitten (along with the 4) who is simply faster than most here and many here have not faced winners before. Starting the pick 4 lean because I need to spread elsewhere and stay in budget.

Race 8- G3 Schuylerville 6f dirt sprint for 2 year-old girls… the 3 and the 8 will take the money and control the speed…but I also like the 4-Quiona Tifah who won convincingly in her only race at Gulfstream

Race 9-Peter Pan…I’ll insert two tidbits here about one of my all time favorite shows, SCTV…I should’ve found video of SCTV’s version of "Peter Pan" starring the transvestite Divine, portrayed by John Candy…and also there is a horse in the 1st race here called Guy Caballero, so…

the 3-Modernist has advantage with his success at this distance, many here have not run that far yet…the price on the 7-Caracaro will surely drop as folks look at his speed numbers and his ability to set the pace up front…I think the horse best suited to win here is the 6-Mystic Guide who is coming off a nice performance at Belmont where he beat the 2-Country Grammer for 2nd…tough race where you need to spread a bit

Race 10-This race should go through either the 1-Secure Connections or the 2-Doll, but there’s some huge value either underneath or to add to your horizontal tickets…big fan of the sire Palice Malice here in NY and his daughter the 4-Grudge gets Eric Cancel on board and seems to fit…and I do have a soft spot for jockey Sophie Doyle, and this is the kind of filly race where she can cash in big on the 9-Bourbon ‘n Ditch

R7-1,4
R8-3,8,4
R9-6,3,7,2,8
R-10-1,2,9,4
.50 ticket for $60

and Race 1 the 8-Rucksack could wire the field...have a great meet everyone!
Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:49 pm ]
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What a mess in race #2 with the chain reaction. I had Magic Mojo and the #1.

Magic Mojo would have won it. Anything but a DQ wouldn't be justice. The horse was all over the place.
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:00 pm ]
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was a good call on the DQ...and that's not because it got me the exacta :D

and i'm already sick of andy serling
Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:04 pm ]
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OscarTangoEcho wrote:
was a good call on the DQ...and that's not because it got me the exacta :D

and i'm already sick of andy serling


I still got shafted having Magic Mojo to place.
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:11 pm ]
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Dignified Rube wrote:

I still got shafted having Magic Mojo to place.


no doubt...any bombs you got on the rest of the card?
Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:18 pm ]
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OscarTangoEcho wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:

I still got shafted having Magic Mojo to place.


no doubt...any bombs you got on the rest of the card?


Walt's the guy to talk to. He knows Saratoga. I'm a novice here.
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:19 pm ]
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Race 4-Good luck, think you could make a case for all or most...I ended up on the 5-Valletta and I love the 7-Gran Chemin's daddy, Constitution..not even treading into P4 or P5 early, too tough
Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:27 pm ]
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I had that one Palace Avenger and Palomita both to win.
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:36 pm ]
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Dignified Rube wrote:
I had that one Palace Avenger and Palomita both to win.


nice..where the fuck is walt?
Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:52 pm ]
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OscarTangoEcho wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
I had that one Palace Avenger and Palomita both to win.


nice..where the fuck is walt?


Cocktails. Going with the Casse first-timer in this one, #2 Yes to Mischief.
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Saratoga Opener
So, here’s my case for the 4-Minit Maus in Race 7 who is m/l odds of 20-1…1st of all, the winnings of this group of fillies ranges from 66K to 36K which is neither a lot of money nor is it a large range which tells me there is no dominant horse. Further the 4 broke her maiden on the turf, and her next race was way over her head and she got demolished, then the owners took her of the grass onto the dirt for sprints, where she again failed…this spring they put her back on the grass and stretched her out at Belmont where she ran two really solid races at this level, on the grass and at this distance…really hope her price stays up or balloons
Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:01 pm ]
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34-1 shot. And I was looking at the one, uggh.
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:08 pm ]
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OscarTangoEcho wrote:
Race 4-Good luck, think you could make a case for all or most (Winner pays $71 ridden by Gafflione)...I ended up on the 5-Valletta and I love the 7-Gran Chemin's daddy, Constitution..not even treading into P4 or P5 early, too tough



too tough indeed
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:21 pm ]
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Value Alert!...if I'm reading this correctly the "will pays" for the Pick 4 in this race show the 7 is the favorite, and yet in current betting he's offering 5-1!!!
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Saratoga Opener
In my handicapping I ended up on both the 5-Dark Money as well as the 8-Caretaker, but that 7-Thorny Tale is a value
Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:35 pm ]
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This is what makes Saratoga tough.

Long-shots often find their way into the winner's circle.
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:47 pm ]
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OscarTangoEcho wrote:
In my handicapping I ended up on both the 5-Dark Money as well as the 8-Caretaker, but that 7-Thorny Tale is a value


nailed it :lol: :lol: :lol:

early Pick 4 paid almost 5K

hoping to get closer on my P$4 ticket late...And on the next race, just throwing some Win, Place money on Sir Chubby...because I think he'll provide stiff competition :wink:
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:54 pm ]
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:roll: Yeah, not on it today...turf course at Saratoga looks great


Doubling down on a P3

3, 4, 8/2, 3, 6, 7, 8/1, 2, 4
Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Saratoga Opener
OscarTangoEcho wrote:
:roll: Yeah, not on it today...turf course at Saratoga looks great


Doubling down on a P3

3, 4, 8/2, 3, 6, 7, 8/1, 2, 4


I wouldn't beat yourself up too much considering who's won.

This is all par for the course at Saratoga. You need a different crystal ball.

Hopefull Princess in the 8th.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:28 pm ]
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I'm agreeing with Rube on the 9th so far the track is playing pretty fair having buffering problems with Twin Spires getting pissed
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:50 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I think Country Grammer is sitting on a big one.

good call thought he was through 1/16th
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:59 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I think Country Grammer is sitting on a big one.


Nice call, JORR!
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:27 pm ]
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wish the 4 would've held on for that trifecta, but still hit it and coming back tomorrow
Author:  Rod [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Saratoga Opener
Thanks, Gentlemen! I had a really good day today. I hate to redboard but I really crushed the race with Big Engine too. Saratoga is a special meet and I'm always looking for horses I think have been pointed to it. I'm not sure if that will be different this year with COVID, but so far, so good. There's one in Saturday that should be a big price. He was scratched out of the fifth race on Saturday at Belmont to go here- The Sicarii.
Author:  OscarTangoEcho [ Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:27 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Thanks, Gentlemen!


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