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Race 9

Pace
The 6-Saudi Crown and 12-Arabian Knight appear to be the speed, if they end up in a dual it could fall apart

2-Zandon is trained by Chad Brown, gets Frankie in the irons and has popped at least 10 straight 100+ speed number, finally won at the Woodward after many 2nds, light may have gone on…3-White Abarrio will be bet, might be in over his head here, but AM workouts have been meticulous and should get a nice pocket trip…8-Ushiba Tesora is one of two from Japan, where breeding is taken quite seriously…this 6 year old averages, AVERAGES 300K a start…

Starting off looking at Saturday

Race 7 Distaff

Pace…Quite Slow

8-Randomize may be lone speed and has been able to walk the pace in these routes before…last time at this distance she eased them to a :47 and 1:12 split…she does that again, and with this group it looks likely, she might run away with it…the 7-Wet Paint is tough as nails...finished in the money 6 of last 7, five of which were Graded Stakes…lack of pace and jock don’t bode well for the 9-Clariere, a classy broad (that’s for Walt) that’s earned over 3 million…3-Pretty Mischievous has been solid her whole career winning 7 out of 10 lifetime, 3 of them Grade 1’s, but is facing elders here…the 4-Idiomatic will be tough to leave off tickets, Brad Cox is red-hot, this horse won a G3 then a G2 at Delmar, then a G1 at Saratoga, then a G1 at Kee…has to be the favorite…the 5-Adare Manor comes in with a 5 race winning streak, four straight +100 Brisnet numbers, and if you don’t know her jock Juan Hernandez you will by the end of the weekend

Picks later

Race 4 Santa Anita, (Not Breeders'Cup) the 6-Private Gem is being turned around in 10 days, which is fine...it is the way it used to be done...but curious, gets Pratt-watch the tote board

Race 3...jumping into the exacta pool for $30

4,8,12/All

OscarTangoEcho wrote:

Race 4 Santa Anita, (Not Breeders'Cup) the 6-Private Gem is being turned around in 10 days, which is fine...it is the way it used to be done...but curious, gets Pratt-watch the tote board

currently 4th choice in the double leading into the next race...hope the public forgets about him

OscarTangoEcho wrote:

Race 3...jumping into the exacta pool for $30

4,8,12/All

I'm just going to assume that I'm going to keep on finding $48 winners

FRIDAY
Race 5 Juv. Turf Sprint

Pace-Honest, I think

Trainer George Weaver has 3 horses entered in a race dominated by the euros, his 9-Amidst Waves is the best of the bunch I believe…I really do like trainer Kelsey Danner and what she’s been able to accomplish, love the bloodlines on the 7-Shards to turfer Kantharos, stepping up but could easily compete with these…4-Big EVS (shoutout to all us EVS guys) won 3 of his last 4 abroad, and gets a nice draw (favored overseas where they bet on this as well, fucking degenerates)…the 2-No Nay Mets has Irad running for a Weaver horse that has won 2 straight, and will be well bet

wide open...hoping for the price on the 7...Kantheros is a hell of a sire for turf

paid $6.60 on a $2 wager...won't complain

next race is really wide open...payouts for the early Pick 5 you ask? Low is 14 K...high is over quarter million

OscarTangoEcho wrote:

Phew...payed a bit to get through that leg

EVS (my profession) rules!

Tamara may win this next one easy but I'm throwing some money on the 3-Scalable and hoping for a ridiculous pace that could set her up big time...the 12-Just FYI desreves to be in the mix as well

Author:	OscarTangoEcho [ Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Breeders' Cup 2023
Starting off looking at Saturday Race 7 Distaff Pace…Quite Slow 8-Randomize may be lone speed and has been able to walk the pace in these routes before…last time at this distance she eased them to a :47 and 1:12 split…she does that again, and with this group it looks likely, she might run away with it…the 7-Wet Paint is tough as nails...finished in the money 6 of last 7, five of which were Graded Stakes…lack of pace and jock don’t bode well for the 9-Clariere, a classy broad (that’s for Walt) that’s earned over 3 million…3-Pretty Mischievous has been solid her whole career winning 7 out of 10 lifetime, 3 of them Grade 1’s, but is facing elders here…the 4-Idiomatic will be tough to leave off tickets, Brad Cox is red-hot, this horse won a G3 then a G2 at Delmar, then a G1 at Saratoga, then a G1 at Kee…has to be the favorite…the 5-Adare Manor comes in with a 5 race winning streak, four straight +100 Brisnet numbers, and if you don’t know her jock Juan Hernandez you will by the end of the weekend Picks later

Author:	OscarTangoEcho [ Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
Saturday Race 8 1 ½ Turf Pace- The 6-Get Smokin scratched and he appeared to be the only speed Heavy influence of Euro riders…American Turf horses just don’t go this distance with Euro’s winning 19 of the last 24, particularly Irish horses (God bless’em)...the 5-Auguste Rodin has won 2 of 3 from this distance…the 13-War Like Goddess has won 7 out of 9 at this distance and is more than fast enough and bred to run all day, out of English Channel at 12-1…the 4,7,and 8 will all be charging at the end Picks later Race 9 Pace The 6-Saudi Crown and 12-Arabian Knight appear to be the speed, if they end up in a dual it could fall apart 2-Zandon is trained by Chad Brown, gets Frankie in the irons and has popped at least 10 straight 100+ speed number, finally won at the Woodward after many 2nds, light may have gone on…3-White Abarrio will be bet, might be in over his head here, but AM workouts have been meticulous and should get a nice pocket trip…8-Ushiba Tesora is one of two from Japan, where breeding is taken quite seriously…this 6 year old averages, AVERAGES 300K a start…

Author:	Rod [ Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:52 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
OscarTangoEcho wrote: Saturday Race 9 Pace The 6-Saudi Crown and 12-Arabian Knight appear to be the speed, if they end up in a dual it could fall apart 2-Zandon is trained by Chad Brown, gets Frankie in the irons and has popped at least 10 straight 100+ speed number, finally won at the Woodward after many 2nds, light may have gone on…3-White Abarrio will be bet, might be in over his head here, but AM workouts have been meticulous and should get a nice pocket trip…8-Ushiba Tesora is one of two from Japan, where breeding is taken quite seriously…this 6 year old averages, AVERAGES 300K a start… The two Japanese horses may show big speed too. There looks to be plenty of pace in this one. I've always liked Zandon, but he's burned a lot of my money. I don't really think he's a classic distance horse, but man, the race really seems like it may set up well for him. He'll probably get a chance to burn some more of my money on Saturday.

Author:	OscarTangoEcho [ Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
Race 10-Turf Sprint (note 5 furlongs on dirt which is different than years past, as is having this after the Classic Pace-Not fast 3-Caravel runs for Brad Cox, as hot as anyone now and wins at a 25% clip in Graded Stakes…9-Roses for Debra has Irad up and has handled G3 company, big step up…10-Motorious is 5/5 ITM at SA and 4/4 ITM at this distance, fits very nicely with Prat aboard…watch to see if either AE the 13-One Timer trained by local Rivelli gets in, or 14-Beer Can man, who might lure Prat away if he gets in Race 11 Sprint Pace-Again not fast 2-Dr. Schivel is a brute out of Violence, raced here at SA, won 4 times, 6 wins out of 9 tries at this distance, absolutely love this horse…8-Elite Power 9/5 on the morning line and 8 race winning streak, his price might go up…will have to turn the tables on the 9-Gunnite, I’m putting a line through his last at Parx, last 2 prior at G1 levels would be enough to win, and I like the cutback in distance That's my look at the late Pick 5 on Saturday

Author:	OscarTangoEcho [ Wed Nov 01, 2023 3:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
Apologies for the inconsistencies of times/dates FRIDAY Race 5 Juv. Turf Sprint Pace-Honest, I think Trainer George Weaver has 3 horses entered in a race dominated by the euros, his 9-Amidst Waves is the best of the bunch I believe…I really do like trainer Kelsey Danner and what she’s been able to accomplish, love the bloodlines on the 7-Shards to turfer Kantharos, stepping up but could easily compete with these…4-Big EVS (shoutout to all us EVS guys) won 3 of his last 4 abroad, and gets a nice draw (favored overseas where they bet on this as well, fucking degenerates)…the 2-No Nay Mets has Irad running for a Weaver horse that has won 2 straight, and will be well bet Race 6 Juvenile Fillies Pace-Honest, maybe slow The 3-Scalable ran 2nd on this course and Pletcher’s numbers in this race are outstanding, fast enough? Should be a price...7-Tamara will be quite a challenge to beat who was just impeccable at Delmar earlier, but is stretching out in distance…the 13-Allys Beach has faced some salty competition and should be tough here Race 7 Juvenile Fillies Turf Pace-Maybe it’s me but again not seeing pace…that being said any jock could look at that and say screw it I’m going to the front…kinda wish I felt better about the Pace Scenarios this weekend …Euro’s have struggled here at SA recently in the BC…no California based filly has gotten better than 3rd…Chad Brown has 5 victories 12-Hard to Justify, not hard at all with Brown/Prat and daddy Justify…9-Carlas Way gets quality Euro turf rider James Doyle and is capable…11-She Feels Pretty, Japan could have a big influence (finally) here, 2/2 with a G1 win Race 8 Juvenile Pace …lots of quality horses going forward, but today belongs to the 10-Muth, Baffert’s has this horse primed and gets an extremely good jock..runs away with it in my opinion Race 9 Turf Pace-again, in my opinion, none…Rosairo is sitting on the potential lone speed, not a good fit these day 8-Unquestionable draws my eyes with O’Brien and Frankie, a bit hard to assess though…14-Carson’s run??? 2 quality wins…very tough

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Author:	Walt Williams Neck [ Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:55 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
My disdain for Santa Anita is well known

Author:	Rod [ Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
OscarTangoEcho wrote: Starting off looking at Saturday Race 7 Distaff Pace…Quite Slow 8-Randomize may be lone speed and has been able to walk the pace in these routes before…last time at this distance she eased them to a :47 and 1:12 split…she does that again, and with this group it looks likely, she might run away with it…the 7-Wet Paint is tough as nails...finished in the money 6 of last 7, five of which were Graded Stakes…lack of pace and jock don’t bode well for the 9-Clariere, a classy broad (that’s for Walt) that’s earned over 3 million…3-Pretty Mischievous has been solid her whole career winning 7 out of 10 lifetime, 3 of them Grade 1’s, but is facing elders here…the 4-Idiomatic will be tough to leave off tickets, Brad Cox is red-hot, this horse won a G3 then a G2 at Delmar, then a G1 at Saratoga, then a G1 at Kee…has to be the favorite…the 5-Adare Manor comes in with a 5 race winning streak, four straight +100 Brisnet numbers, and if you don’t know her jock Juan Hernandez you will by the end of the weekend Picks later I think the likely race shape- slow but contentious- suits Clariere pretty well. I'm just not sure her best days aren't behind her. But if she's in the 8-10/1 range she's probably worth a bet.

Author:	OscarTangoEcho [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
The slow but contentious pace thing just messes with my handicapping...give me a race with 3 speed horses I can figure out what going to happen...but so many of these races appear slow on paper and yet could get out of hand quickly (hello, Distaff) Race 4 Santa Anita, (Not Breeders'Cup) the 6-Private Gem is being turned around in 10 days, which is fine...it is the way it used to be done...but curious, gets Pratt-watch the tote board

Author:	OscarTangoEcho [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
Interesting first race...first of all it was safe, second the horse that won on turf (the 3) stumbled badly out of the gate and won from way off the pace...interesting

Author:	OscarTangoEcho [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
Race 3...jumping into the exacta pool for $30 4,8,12/All

Author:	Walt Williams Neck [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:35 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
all over freedom flyer the 11 in the 3rd

Author:	OscarTangoEcho [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
paid $6.60 on a $2 wager...won't complain next race is really wide open...payouts for the early Pick 5 you ask? Low is 14 K...high is over quarter million OscarTangoEcho wrote: FRIDAY Race 5 Juv. Turf Sprint Pace-Honest, I think Trainer George Weaver has 3 horses entered in a race dominated by the euros, his 9-Amidst Waves is the best of the bunch I believe…I really do like trainer Kelsey Danner and what she’s been able to accomplish, love the bloodlines on the 7-Shards to turfer Kantharos, stepping up but could easily compete with these…4-Big EVS (shoutout to all us EVS guys) won 3 of his last 4 abroad, and gets a nice draw (favored overseas where they bet on this as well, fucking degenerates)…the 2-No Nay Mets has Irad running for a Weaver horse that has won 2 straight, and will be well bet wide open...hoping for the price on the 7...Kantheros is a hell of a sire for turf

Author:	Hawg Ass [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
OscarTangoEcho wrote: paid $6.60 on a $2 wager...won't complain next race is really wide open...payouts for the early Pick 5 you ask? Low is 14 K...high is over quarter million OscarTangoEcho wrote: FRIDAY Race 5 Juv. Turf Sprint Pace-Honest, I think Trainer George Weaver has 3 horses entered in a race dominated by the euros, his 9-Amidst Waves is the best of the bunch I believe…I really do like trainer Kelsey Danner and what she’s been able to accomplish, love the bloodlines on the 7-Shards to turfer Kantharos, stepping up but could easily compete with these…4-Big EVS (shoutout to all us EVS guys) won 3 of his last 4 abroad, and gets a nice draw (favored overseas where they bet on this as well, fucking degenerates)…the 2-No Nay Mets has Irad running for a Weaver horse that has won 2 straight, and will be well bet wide open...hoping for the price on the 7...Kantheros is a hell of a sire for turf 19/1 goodcenough?

Author:	OscarTangoEcho [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
small WPS on the 4,7,9 and 14 that scratched out of another race to get here

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Author:	Hawg Ass [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
OscarTangoEcho wrote: Phew...payed a bit to get through that leg EVS (my profession) rules! Tamara may win this next one easy but I'm throwing some money on the 3-Scalable and hoping for a ridiculous pace that could set her up big time...the 12-Just FYI desreves to be in the mix as well Nice call on the 12

Author:	Hawg Ass [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
OscarTangoEcho wrote: You good Hawg? That would be relative sir, but I am much better than I was on Monday.

Author:	OscarTangoEcho [ Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Breeders' Cup 2023
Rube, JORR??? did you guys find Jesus? and can't gamble anymore?