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Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Tue May 06, 2008 6:42 pm ]
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From bloodhorse.com

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/article/45076.htm

As of the afternoon of May 6, there were seven confirmed starters for Maryland’s signature event: Big Brown, Behindatthebar, Giant Moon, Kentucky Bear, Stevil, Tres Borrachos, and Yankee Bravo, along with four other potential runners.

The maybes are Macho Again (winner of Ohio Derby), Riley Tucker (3rd in the Lexington), Harlem Rocker (winner of the Withers) and Recapturetheglory (5th in Derby).
Author:  Irish Boy [ Tue May 06, 2008 6:49 pm ]
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I can hardly contain my excitement.

Predition: BB goes off the board at 2-5.
Author:  Mustang Rob [ Wed May 07, 2008 12:16 pm ]
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Irish Boy wrote:
I can hardly contain my excitement.

Predition: BB goes off the board at 2-5.


This has the potential to become horse racing's version of "Tiger v. The field".
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Wed May 07, 2008 12:24 pm ]
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I PREDICT

Denis of Cork wins the Belmont after Big Brown decides to control the race on the front end. It's going to be like Smarty Jones all over again.
Author:  doug - evergreen park [ Wed May 07, 2008 12:25 pm ]
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I'll take the filly to place and die...

(sorry...too damn easy)
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed May 07, 2008 12:28 pm ]
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She gone!
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Wed May 07, 2008 12:30 pm ]
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Anyone know if Barbaro's running today?
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed May 07, 2008 12:31 pm ]
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I think Heath Ledger is riding him.
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Thu May 08, 2008 6:20 pm ]
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Recapturetheglory looks like he will run in the Preakness.

From bloodhorse.com

Recapturetheglory, fifth in the May 3 Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), will be the second Preakness starter to arrive in Baltimore when he leaves Churchill Downs May 11. On May 8, Recapturetheglory jogged a mile and galloped a mile over the muddy Churchill Downs surface.

Also, you can add Racecar Rhapsody in
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Sat May 10, 2008 9:15 pm ]
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Recapturetheglory after he had a fever this morning.

Macho Uno is in.
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Mon May 12, 2008 3:42 pm ]
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Harlem Rocker (likely second choice) is out and will be going after the candian triple crown this summer.


My opinion: Big Brown will be 1-5 on Saturday.
Author:  Coast2Coast [ Tue May 13, 2008 12:00 pm ]
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For Whom Is Eight Belles's Toll?

By Andrew Beyer
Monday, May 12, 2008; E01
Washington Post

If people concerned about the safety of thoroughbreds had their way, the Preakness might be a race for 4-year-olds instead of 3-year-olds. It would be run on a synthetic surface instead of dirt. The jockeys would be forbidden to carry whips.

These are among the many proposals put forth since the filly Eight Belles broke down and was euthanized after the Kentucky Derby. Even with the second leg of the Triple Crown just five days away, the sport is still preoccupied with the filly's death and stung by the harsh criticism it has taken on the issue of equine safety. The industry knows it has to do something, but what?

One of the most common responses to the breakdown of Eight Belles has come from such diverse sources as People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and The Washington Post's Sally Jenkins, author of "Funny Cide." It is the argument that the sport places too much stress on young, undeveloped horses by racing them at age 2 and by subjecting them to the rigors of the Triple Crown series at 3. The evidence of two fatalities in the past six Triple Crown races -- Barbaro in the 2006 Preakness and Eight Belles in the Derby -- seems to support this theory.

But top equine veterinarians insist it is a fallacy that thoroughbreds race at too young an age. Rick Arthur, equine medical director of the California Horse Racing Board, said that horses need exertion as 2-year-olds because it develops their bones. "It's beneficial for that process to occur as the horse goes through the maturation process," he said. "The 3-year-old is a mature horse in terms of his bone development."

Larry Bramlage, the vet who regularly appears on national racing telecasts, said ample statistics refute the argument that young thoroughbreds should be handled with kid gloves. "Horses that train as 2-year-olds earn more money and make more starts than horses who don't train until they're 3."

The death of Eight Belles also brought calls for more tracks to install synthetic surfaces. Preliminary evidence suggests that the rate of fatal accidents is lower on synthetic tracks than on dirt (though some trainers say that certain types of injuries have increased.)

Daily Racing Form columnist Jay Hovdey last week made a well-reasoned case for synthetics that goes beyond the statistics on breakdowns. One major reason for the fragility of American thoroughbreds is breeders' obsession with speed; they don't care about durability when they produce a racehorse. This is a seemingly insoluble problem because nobody can legislate the private decisions of breeders. However, synthetic tracks have proved to be much less speed-favoring than dirt, and in some cases they have had a distinctly anti-speed bias. If all racetracks adopted synthetic surfaces, Hovdey argued, breeders would have to produce a different type of thoroughbred.

The drawback to this vision, of course, is that horse racing might not be much of a sport if speed became a liability. The thoroughbreds who make the game exciting are the brilliant ones such as Kentucky Derby winner Big Brown -- not the plodders who often win on Polytrack.

Even if synthetic tracks do reduce the number of catastrophic injuries, it is a specious argument to suggest that dirt racing surfaces are the root cause of the safety problem. There was no perceived epidemic of breakdowns in the United States 30 years ago; dirt tracks seemed safe enough then. And the rate of breakdowns is not a serious issue in other nations where racing is conducted on dirt. In the past six years at Maronas, Uruguay, there have been only 30 fatal accidents from 46,701 starters. That is about one-third that rate of fatalities in the United States. Yet many people in the industry have hastened to blame dirt tracks for breakdowns. When a series of fatalities marred the 2006 Del Mar meeting, the California Horse Racing Board reacted by mandating that the state's tracks replace dirt surfaces with synthetic surfaces. Perhaps my view is too cynical, but I believe that the industry is focusing on this peripheral issue because it can't face up to the real one.

American horses are much less durable than they used to be, and they are less durable than their counterparts in other countries. So what makes contemporary U.S. racing different? We all know the one-word answer to that question: drugs.

In the 1970s, American racing adopted the policy of "permissive medication," legalizing drugs that are banned in the rest of the racing world. The administration of the diuretic Lasix and the painkiller Butazolidin became standard at every U.S. racetrack. Other commonly used drugs -- such as corticosteroids injected in the joints of ailing animals -- allow them to run without pain and surely contribute to breakdowns. The use of anabolic steroids puts extra muscle on horses, forcing their bones to carry more weight and absorb more of an impact when they hit the ground.

The rationale for the liberalization of drug rules in the United States was that medication would help horses cope better with the stress of year-round racing. But it didn't. The average American horse has made fewer and fewer starts per year since the 1970s, suggesting the existence of a vicious cycle: Unsound horses who succeed with the aid of medications go to stud and propagate more unsound horses.

Yet despite the evidence that the U.S. medication policy has been a failure, horsemen have regularly resisted most efforts to curb the use of medications. American racing is addicted to drugs, and American horses will never again be fueled by hay, oats and water alone. But until the industry faces the medication issue seriously, all of its efforts to address equine safety will be misguided.
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Wed May 14, 2008 2:17 pm ]
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Interesting article you found there Coast =- some thoughts from the peanut gallery:

- Age has nothing to do with the death of the filly. Horses have been racing at 2 and 3 for a long time and catastrophic injuries are still a rare occurrence. It just so happened that this horse broke down in the grandaddy of them all.

- Whips? So the jockey whipping the horse caused the death, eh? Funny. The riding crop is important for keeping a horse at focus and also for the direction the horse runs. The sounds and visual do more than the actual tap on the hind quarter.

- Synthetics. I think there is some validity to the thought that synthetics are better on horses to a point. The trainers I know say the synthetic surface at Arlington won't break down a horse but it does take longer to get them back to the track because it's rough on them. Also, if a horse goes down or throws his jockey, chances are that jockey is leaving in an ambulance because that stuff is like concrete.

- Drugs. Now this one I can buy. I can remember when I started watching races 25 years ago - lasix was for bleeders and was outlawed in many states like New York (which cost a few horses the triple crown - ask Alysheba) Now a days, pick up a program and look at a claiming race, pretty much every horse takes the drugs.
Author:  Badger Vince [ Wed May 14, 2008 2:20 pm ]
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Image

Just have'n fun!
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Wed May 14, 2008 2:27 pm ]
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Would it surprise me if at some point people report horses being injected with steroids? Nope.

The biggest doping tends to be on the harness side. The big scandal is EPO doping which is a growth hormone produced by the kidney that helps the horses forget they are hurt and increases their oxygen capacity. It's been linked some of the bigger names in the sport like the ledfords and recently Ernie Adam.
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Wed May 14, 2008 5:56 pm ]
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Post Positions for Preakness Stakes 133



Post
Horse
Jockey
Trainer
ML Odds

1
Macho Again
Julien Leparoux
Dallas Stewart
20-1

2
Tres Borrachos
Tyler Baze
Beau Greely
30-1

3
Icabad Crane
Jeremy Rose
Graham Motion
30-1

4
Yankee Bravo
Alex Solis
Patrick Gallagher
15-1

5
Behindathebar
David Flores
Todd Pletcher
10-1

6
Racecar Rhapsody
Robby Albarado
Ken McPeek
30-1

7
Big Brown
Kent Desormeaux
Rick Dutrow
1-2

8
Kentucky Bear
Jamie Theriot
Reade Baker
15-1

9
Stevil
John Velazquez
Nick Zito
30-1

10
Riley Tucker
Edgar Prado
Bill Mott
30-1

11
Giant Moon
Ramon Dominguez
Richard Schosberg
30-1

12
Gayego
Mike Smith
Paulo Lobo
8-1

13
Hey Byrn
Charles Lopez
Eddie Plesa
20-1
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Fri May 16, 2008 12:01 pm ]
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Of course this morning I'm listening to Czaban and the horse racing expert points out that the last 2/5 shot in the Preakness had a rough start and ending of the race....That horse? Barbaro.
Author:  Irish Boy [ Sat May 17, 2008 7:15 am ]
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Be on the lookout for place and show bets today. A lot of people are going to be playing these anyway, figuring that BB is going to win. The problem with that is if BB attracts a proportional amount of place and show money compared to the amount of win money, the payouts are going to be laughably small if he wins, because there won't be much money left to redistribute. For that reason, if you're going to play the Preakness, the main strategy should be exotics.

Still, if someone (or many someones) decides to put a huge bet on BB to place or show, betting against him to place or show could be tremendous value. If BB doesn't come in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, any money wagered on BB will be distributed to those holding winning tickets on other horses- today, that might be a very small number of people.

If you work with an ADW that provides accurate pool information, check the place and show pools about five minutes before post. If BB is 4-5 or lower, check the following numbers:

The money bet on him to place should be about 1/2 the amount to win and about 50% of the total money in the place pool.

The money bet on him to show should be 1/6 the amount to win and about 50% to show.

Especially watch that last figure. If the money bet of BB to place or show approaches 70% or 80% of the pool, your first play should be a place or show bet on every horse but BB, or at the very least the logical contenders.
Author:  Irish Boy [ Sat May 17, 2008 5:36 pm ]
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Holy shit. Big Brown might be legendary good. Too bad he's only going to run one more time.
Author:  Brick [ Sat May 17, 2008 5:45 pm ]
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Let me be the first to predict that Big Brown will win the triple crown.
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Sat May 17, 2008 5:45 pm ]
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Irish Boy wrote:
Holy shit. Big Brown might be legendary good. Too bad he's only going to run one more time.


Not too bad for him...he's gonna be tearing the shit out of the ladies after that last race, regardless of the outcome...lucky fucker...
Author:  Colonel Angus [ Sat May 17, 2008 5:47 pm ]
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It was a good race. He waited for his opportunity, then took it. It was close till he pulled away. This is why horse racing is much more exciting than auto racing.
Author:  Irish Boy [ Sat May 17, 2008 9:43 pm ]
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You wouldn't be saying that if his name was "Big White"
Author:  Colonel Angus [ Sat May 17, 2008 10:04 pm ]
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Irish Boy wrote:
You wouldn't be saying that if his name was "Big White"


:lol:
Author:  Hawkeye Vince [ Sat May 17, 2008 10:20 pm ]
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Big Brown is a monster He's the best I've ever seen in watching horse racing for the last 25 years. Kent never whipped him today and he still could have won by 20. He's a 50Million dollar horse (rights sold to Three Chimneys today),. He could skip the Belmont and still be the best I've seen.
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