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 Post subject: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:00 pm 
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Overall 13-13-2

Bears -6.5 against Seahawks L
Ravens +3 at Patriots PUSH
Falcons +3 at Eagles L
Steelers -13.5 against Browns W
Raiders +6.5 at 49ers L
Cowboys +1.5 at Vikings L

Love the Falcons and would recommend the money line.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:11 am 
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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:25 am 
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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:30 pm 
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Last week: 1-0
YTD: 8-8-1, -0.8

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Houston -4.5
Minnesota -1

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:19 pm 
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Oakland/San Francisco over 41 (-115)
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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:40 pm 
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Atlanta ML (+124)
Chicago -7 (+120)
Miami/Green Bay under 46 (-110)
Oakland/San Francisco over 41 (-115)
Dallas ML (+120)
Indianapolis/Washington over 44 (-105)
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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:36 pm 
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Don't want to get too off-topic here, but...

Why is it that so many people are talking about how difficult it is to wager on the NFL this year? Yes parity is probably at an all-time high, but, that only makes it more difficult to pick games straight-up. Wagering almost always involves a point spread, for obvious reasons. So, even "back in the day" when you had confidence in who were the good teams and who were the bad teams, the point spreads reflected that. So, why was wagering easier back then? I'm thinking it wasn't, but, am I wrong?


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:02 am 
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I think it's because underdogs are covering at a 60% rate and many dogs have won outright. Most recreational bettors bet mostly favorites. Most media people pick mostly favorites to win games. So when dogs cover at a decent rate, you hear the bettors and media people who are having losing years complain how hard it is to pick winners.

You aren't hearing professional gamblers say this. Most are having pretty solid years because most pros play mostly underdogs. And dogs are covering in the NFL at a 60% rate through five weeks.

NFL covers against closing line
Week 1: 9 Favorites,6 Dogs, 1 Push
Week 2: 6F, 10D
Week 3: 5F, 10D
Week 4: 4F, 9D
Week 5: 5F, 9D

Season to date: 29 Favorites, 44 Dogs, 1 Push
Dogs covering at 60.3%

This actually is a lot like many years in the 70s, 80s and 90s, when dogs typically covered at a higher rate (53-55% vs. 45-47 for favorites). In those years, the pros did well and the public got killed. We haven't had a year like this with such a high rate of dog covers in more than a decade or so, so the bettors and media people with short memories or who didn't bet a decade or more ago don't have the historical reference. To the contrary, there have been a few years in the last ten in which favorites covered at a very high rate and most years the spread between favorites and dogs was close. So perhaps bettors got to thinking the NFL was a 50/50 sport to beat because favorites were covering a slight majority of games. Long-term (over several decades) it has not been that way. Some gamblers maybe don't have the historical reference to know that or have forgotten because there has not been a strong dog year like this in a decade or more.

So then the question is, why are there more dog covers this year? I don't think it's "parity" per se. But I'd need a lot more data than I have to support my hypothesis -- that there is greater variance in performance from week to week than there used to be in the league. As someone who keeps power ratings on teams, this has been an interesting year for variance in week-to-week power ratings. Teams will play to a certain number one week and then play way above it or below it the next. Is that "parity" or is it that athletes and teams are much more uneven in their performance from week to week than in previous years?

As a note here, I do not expect dogs to continue to cover at a 60% rate for the rest of the season. 56% one way or the other for an entire season is rare, so I expect as numbers get sharper, we will see the dog cover rate move back down.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:08 am 
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Billy Walters (the world's largest and most successful sports gambler) is on Seattle today. He is one of the main reason the number on the Seattle-Bears game has moved down. I expect more sharp money to come in on Seattle and the number will continue to come down. If you like the Bears today, wait until a few minutes before kick. You might see a 5 or even a 4.5. Now in the spirit of full disclosure, he was very large on Carolina last week. That did not turn out well for him. But the Bears offensive performance in that game was well below their market power rating.

At any rate, it appears that his numbers on the Bears don't match the market numbers. (Mine are close, but they feel very soft to me because the Bears have not been playing to their PR even though they are 4-1). Or maybe, he's just trying to get his money back (and then some) by going against the Bears again. My numbers on the Bears feel soft, but so do my numbers on Seattle, since their home/road PR differential is the largest in the league.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:50 am 
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Green Bay-Miami UNDER 44
Atlanta +8.5/Oakland +12.5; 6 pt. teaser at -110


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:16 am 
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New Orleans -5 (+120)
Atlanta ML (+124)
Chicago -7 (+120)
Miami/Green Bay under 46 (-110)
Oakland/San Francisco over 41 (-115)
Dallas ML (+120)
Indianapolis/Washington over 44 (-105)
Detroit/NY Giants over 46 (+112)
1QTR Indianapolis -0.5 (+120)
3QTR Indianapolis -0.5 (+130)

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:09 pm 
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Looks like Mr. Walters unloaded on the 49ers. Not the first time he's done that either. I've been chewing on the Raiders all week, so the momentary spike to +9 at Pinny and Greek makes this a take. Call me a sucker but his bet at -6.5 and my bet at +9 are arguably both +EV. Also like going against the J-E-T-S after their Monday nighter and a trip to mile high air. A little value and the hook.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:47 am 
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Chus wrote:
8-11 -3.57

Baltimore ML (+122) L
New Orleans -5 (+120) W
Atlanta ML (+124) L
Chicago -7 (+120) L
Miami/Green Bay under 46 (-110) W
Oakland/San Francisco over 41 (-115) L
Dallas ML (+120) L
Indianapolis/Washington over 44 (-105) W
Detroit/NY Giants over 46 (+112) W
1QTR Indianapolis -0.5 (+120) L
3QTR Indianapolis -0.5 (+130) L


4-7 -2.83
12-18 -6.4

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:19 pm 
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Coast2Coast wrote:
I think it's because underdogs are covering at a 60% rate and many dogs have won outright. Most recreational bettors bet mostly favorites. Most media people pick mostly favorites to win games. So when dogs cover at a decent rate, you hear the bettors and media people who are having losing years complain how hard it is to pick winners.

You aren't hearing professional gamblers say this. Most are having pretty solid years because most pros play mostly underdogs. And dogs are covering in the NFL at a 60% rate through five weeks.

NFL covers against closing line
Week 1: 9 Favorites,6 Dogs, 1 Push
Week 2: 6F, 10D
Week 3: 5F, 10D
Week 4: 4F, 9D
Week 5: 5F, 9D

Season to date: 29 Favorites, 44 Dogs, 1 Push
Dogs covering at 60.3%

This actually is a lot like many years in the 70s, 80s and 90s, when dogs typically covered at a higher rate (53-55% vs. 45-47 for favorites). In those years, the pros did well and the public got killed. We haven't had a year like this with such a high rate of dog covers in more than a decade or so, so the bettors and media people with short memories or who didn't bet a decade or more ago don't have the historical reference. To the contrary, there have been a few years in the last ten in which favorites covered at a very high rate and most years the spread between favorites and dogs was close. So perhaps bettors got to thinking the NFL was a 50/50 sport to beat because favorites were covering a slight majority of games. Long-term (over several decades) it has not been that way. Some gamblers maybe don't have the historical reference to know that or have forgotten because there has not been a strong dog year like this in a decade or more.

So then the question is, why are there more dog covers this year? I don't think it's "parity" per se. But I'd need a lot more data than I have to support my hypothesis -- that there is greater variance in performance from week to week than there used to be in the league. As someone who keeps power ratings on teams, this has been an interesting year for variance in week-to-week power ratings. Teams will play to a certain number one week and then play way above it or below it the next. Is that "parity" or is it that athletes and teams are much more uneven in their performance from week to week than in previous years?

As a note here, I do not expect dogs to continue to cover at a 60% rate for the rest of the season. 56% one way or the other for an entire season is rare, so I expect as numbers get sharper, we will see the dog cover rate move back down.


Thanks Coast! Excellent explanation.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Week 6
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:56 pm 
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Chus wrote:
12-18 -6.4

Tennessee -2.5 (-115) W
Tennessee/Jacksonville under 45 (-105) W


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