Need some nominees for a group trifecta. STAY THIRSTY? JAYCITO?

Yelly ans Screamy had on a guy this morning who said Mucho Macho Man may be a contender...

When is the Derby? Is it coming up?

Serious question: how does one develop a talent for intelligently-following horse racing without going to the track at least once per week?

Is it possible to just read blogs, etc?

I was always fascinated with guys that knew "horses" and made money at the track, but I never got to finding out the how and why.

I mean, when I was fresh out of HS My brother used to bartend at OTB, ad when I would go up there for some free drinks, the shit that some of the guys knew there - i.e. who was on what type of shots, etc., who took a shit that morning - I just found it incredible that anyone could afford to spend that much time learning such things at a gambling establishment without going broke first.

Joe: how did you come by your past and present knowledge?

Serious question: how does one develop a talent for intelligently-following horse racing without going to the track at least once per week?

Is it possible to just read blogs, etc?

I was always fascinated with guys that knew "horses" and made money at the track, but I never got to finding out the how and why.

I mean, when I was fresh out of HS My brother used to bartend at OTB, ad when I would go up there for some free drinks, the shit that some of the guys knew there - i.e. who was on what type of shots, etc., who took a shit that morning - I just found it incredible that anyone could afford to spend that much time learning such things at a gambling establishment without going broke first.

Joe: how did you come by your past and present knowledge?

What is the best online source for the best real-time info, if there is one or if you can give it up?

Thanks, Joe. I always wanted to try to get to know what the fuck was going on out there.

I once went to the track 528 straight nights without missing. It's really just like learning anything else. I've seen a lot of races and I've read about everything I could get my hands on. I know my way around a racehorse. At one time I owned, I think, 21 horses.

Still, there are guys I see and I've seen at the track for 30 years- I'd even call some of them friends- and they don't know what the fuck they're watching and they have no idea how to bet.

Here's something that's very difficult for guys to get their head around. I never try to pick the winner of a race. I just try to evaluate the chances of the horses. If there is a horse with odds out of whack with what I consider his chances, I bet. Sometimes I get beat by a horse that I thought had better chances, but who didn't have the right odds. But it works out over the long haul. As a kid I heard my stepfather say, "You can beat a race, but you can't beat the races". He had it absoultely backward. You can never be certain of the outcome of a particular race. But if you're a reasonable handicapper and you know how to manage your money and bet the overlays, you can beat the races.

Not quite 528 straight nights, but I did by Sportmans escalators ,pond and new tote board, Joe I fit into the don't know what I'm watching and have no idea hoe to bet

Man, I miss Sportsman's! I drove past there on my way the the airport last month and I almost broke down weeping. That was the best track in the world when it was the old 5/8 layout.

Tarport Harp, Smokey Oaks, and Albatross winning on one wheel! Paisley, Farrington, Busse and Burright the Buglar, and the hot dog stand on Laramie ..that was living. Stormy sure fucked that up

Are you strictly a thoroughbred guy, bigfan?

I still like Nehro in an exacta/trifecta box. That 19 hole is going to be tough to win it from. He was still closing in his last two races at mile and a eighth. With the extra eighth of a mile, he might be there close. It all comes down to a "good trip" and a lot of luck. I am going to Arlington for the opener and I'll look at the program and bet it at Trackside tomorrow night. I'll probably throw 5 horses in a box with him and hope the odds cover the bet. Good luck!

Never knew that Ed Olczyk knew horses, but about 20 min ago on The Ex-Saloon, he gave a pretty good quick lesson on reading the derby program, and he liked No 12 & 13 (Sabatina? & Mucho Macho Man?) as good bets.

Never knew that Ed Olczyk knew horses, but about 20 min ago on The Ex-Saloon, he gave a pretty good quick lesson on reading the derby program, and he liked No 12 & 13 (Sabatina? & Mucho Macho Man?) as good bets.

Olczyk was in Vegas recently for the NHL Awards presentations and while in town, played a $166 ticket on the Pick-Six at Hollywood Park, which hit for $500,000.

Olczyk has been a longtime horse bettor who did some guest handicapping for The Meadowlands harness simulcasts a few years ago, and his knowledge of racing and handicapping was immediately obvious Savy is a owner and big time bettor also.