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| Author: | Spinnin' Bucket [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:34 am ] |
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New anti-gambling law won't stop online bettors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By John Helyar ESPN.com Will a new federal anti-gambling law end online wagering? Don't bet on it. The Unlawful Internet Gambling and Enforcement Act of 2006, passed by Congress on Saturday, greatly pleased anti-gambling advocates. The act also battered the stocks of British gaming companies such as Party Gaming PLC, 888 Holdings PLC and Sportingbet PLC, which generate much of their revenue from U.S. online bettors. But experts say this $12 billion industry won't go away; it will just nimbly adjust, as it has in the past. "I think (the law) will have very minor effects," says Nelson Rose, who teaches at Whittier Law School in Costa Mesa, Calif., and runs a Web site called gamblingandthelaw.com. Rose believes that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, in pushing the measure through Congress as part of a port security bill just prior to adjournment last weekend, seemed more intent on pleasing social conservatives than truly gutting online gambling. The way Rose reads the bill, it doesn't expand the list of illegal online gambling activities, as a House-passed version did in July. Nor does it criminalize online gambling for consumers or financial intermediaries. It doesn't do much of anything to clear up this gray area of law. Federal prosecutors already had gone after online gambling firms selectively, based on existing laws -- principally, the Wire Act of 1961. In recent months, they arrested the chiefs of two British firms, Peter Dicks of Sportingbet PLC and David Carruthers of BetonSports.com. "This (the new law) doesn't expand the definition of illegal gambling," said Rose. Joseph Kelly, a law professor at Buffalo (NY) State College and an attorney for online gaming concerns, calls the law "highly unenforceable." The act makes it illegal for banks to transfer money from customer accounts to online gambling firms. But for the most part, bettors don't pay their online bookies directly. Payments usually are routed to offshore firms through an online intermediary such as Canadian-based Neteller, the biggest money-transfer firm in this sphere. In addition, American banking lobbyists insisted that the most basic form of payment be exempted if the industry was to support the law. That's the good old-fashioned check -- both paper and electronic versions -- whose volume made them impossible to monitor. So checks are exempted. One result of the legislation, some observers feel, is that the more accountable publicly traded firms such as Party Gaming PLC, 888 Holdings PLC and Sportingbet PLC will be driven out because investors will desert them. That will leave more opportunities for sleazier operators to fill the void. In that respect, the law could unleash something akin to Prohibition, whereby a social crusade drove an industry into the arms of the underworld. "The U.S. government has taken indeed a giant step backwards towards a time in our history that we should have learned from," wrote Kenneth Weitzner in his online wagering information Web site, Eye On Gambling. The difference between this and Prohibition, Weitzner added in an interview, is that "the online gambling industry has always been one step ahead of the government, in terms of transactions." The current reigning model -- using online intermediaries such as Neteller -- developed when credit card transactions became illegal. "There are many loopholes that will be found and have already been looked at," said Weitzner, whose online handle is "The Shrink." The law, nonetheless, already has had a chilling effect, he added. In checking with one online site yesterday, Weitzner found customer withdrawals were up 10 percent, and the action on "Monday Night Football" was down. Two things "The Shrink" would like the gambling public to know: 1.) It's still not a federal crime to be an online bettor, just to be an online bookie; and 2.) The measure isn't effective until the promulgation of its final regulations, by statute up to 270 days after the bill's signing into law. The NFL season will be long ended. |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:58 am ] |
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Thanks, Bucket. The sun is shining again today. The early reports I received last Friday were that Congress had passed the same bill as the House passed earlier this summer. Not true. I should have known better than to believe media reports. All the media articles written on Friday and Saturday now turn out to be wrong. I finally got a chance to read the bill that was actually passed. They did not include the bans on gambling and just kept in the banking restrictions. Those will be relatively easy to bypass. By this time next year, even if the Feds make it illegal for banks to transfer money to Neteller, they won't be able to make it illegal to transfer money to the Bank of England, Deutsche Bank, a Swiss or Asian bank, etc. They can't do that, because if they did, they would shut down foreign trade. So one possibility is that all the casinos offshore will have their own credit cards with foreign banks. |
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| Author: | Spinnin' Bucket [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:24 pm ] |
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The only thing that concerns me is that I’ve read conflicting reports regarding the lanuage over EFTs. Some articles have claimed banks will be exempt from paper checks only, while other publications have said both paper and electronic. If it’s the 2nd one, then this bill is pure toilet paper. I suppose it’s likely they realize, from a legal standpoint, it may be impossible to shut this down. The next step then would be to convince as many people as possible they are breaking the law, even if technically they are not. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled… … was convincing the people he had authority over the internet. |
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| Author: | Spinnin' Bucket [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:55 pm ] |
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http://www.bluffmagazine.com/pokerLegislation/HR4411_Votes.pdf FYI... |
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| Author: | Spinnin' Bucket [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:49 pm ] |
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Coach, the bill is dead. I actually contacted the state on this a while back and this was the response: This bill did not go very far in the legislative process. This bill is not dead yet and the legislators can bring this up in Veto session in November but more than likely it will die at the end of the year. Illinois General Assembly Webmaster At the time, it was listed under HB 1515. Currently, that ID # applies to a different piece of legislation altogether. |
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| Author: | Spinnin' Bucket [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:37 pm ] |
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Quote: (a) a person with a signature authority over a foreign account is subject to special Treasury reporting with fairly severe penalties for non-compliance and (b) some dopes might be tempted to exclude winnings from their income.
Coach, until electronic checks and systems like NetTeller & Instadebit are blocked, I don’t really see the need for an individual to utilize a foreign bank account. Am I missing something here, or are you just jumping to the next platform on the premise that the above methods are blocked? |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:25 pm ] |
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I would like to see a survey among non wagering individuals. Can't stand when a Senator guts a bug up his ass about something and of course he is trying to protect the kids. (Feel free to play your bug up ass / kids joke now) |
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