Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Coast2Coast wrote:
Would Doctor Ken hire an accountant with a 2.0 GPA from a second rate school?
Somebody has to drive my car.
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Pigskin picks |
College week 0 All 1 * Michigan State -6.5 v Boise Tennessee -3 -120 v NC State San Jose St + 26 @ Stanford |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Coast2Coast wrote: College week 0 All 1 * Michigan State -6.5 v Boise Tennessee -3 -120 v NC State San Jose St + 26 @ Stanford Coast good to hear from you and I hope things are well. Looking forward to a great year of college football. Any teams out there that intrigue you and you are looking at from the outset? |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Coast2Coast wrote: San Jose St + 26 @ Stanford The annual internal conflict. Welcome back. With you on Michigan State tongith |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
yes it is. I have taken sjsu in this most years, and now the cardinal has no Luck and 2 seasons removed from harbaugh. i expect stanford to slip this year. a veteran team getting 26 in a rivalry just too tempting. Tenn NCS under 52.5, 1* I have a lot of respect for O'Brien but think Vols D will be very good. Big Orange 27-16 |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
week 0:2-2 Cowboys-Giants over 45.5 Early season games between these two have generally been high scoring and both Os seem pretty healthy and ready. Northwestern-Vandy over 54 Same ole purple. They can score but cannot defend. I will look at overs until the numbers on them move higher or they play a top D that will shut them down. Vandy didn't do much offensively vs. So Car, but the Cocks have a big D. Rogers should have a big day. |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Ariz St -3 -125 vs. Illini Missed posting the best number but will still buy here. A middling Mac coach for the Illini? Seriously? Would Doctor Ken hire an accountant with a 2.0 GPA from a second rate school? Nope, and neither should the Illini hire a guy with a mediocre record in the Mac. They should have higher standards than that. First year in the Beckmann era likely to be painful for Illini fans. Schelhaase not being 100% a big factor as dropoff to backup is steep. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Coast2Coast wrote: Would Doctor Ken hire an accountant with a 2.0 GPA from a second rate school? Somebody has to drive my car. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Coast2Coast wrote: Would Doctor Ken hire an accountant with a 2.0 GPA from a second rate school? Somebody has to drive my car.
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Coast2Coast wrote: Would Doctor Ken hire an accountant with a 2.0 GPA from a second rate school? Somebody has to drive my car. So you're saying I have a chance ..... |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Florida +1 @ Texas AM Welcome to the SEC, Aggies. Speed --especially on defense-- kills. The under is also really tempting. |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Three unders with favorites that I think will have trouble scoring a lot of points today: Texas AM -Florida under 49.5 Wisconsin-Oregon State under 49.5 Stanford-Duke under 56 |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Hawg Ass wrote: Any teams out there that intrigue you and you are looking at from the outset? I don't spend much time thinking about the best teams or rankings, but look for teams that are over- or under-valued in the market. Teams I am looking to play ON (depending on lines of course): Oregon State Arkansas State Texas State Teams I am looking to play AGAINST: Penn State Stanford Illinois |
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| Author: | Irish Boy [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Coast2Coast wrote: Ariz St -3 -125 vs. Illini Missed posting the best number but will still buy here. A middling Mac coach for the Illini? Seriously? Would Doctor Ken hire an accountant with a 2.0 GPA from a second rate school? Nope, and neither should the Illini hire a guy with a mediocre record in the Mac. He went 17-7 in conference, and 14-2 in his final two seasons. But, you know, don't let facts get in the way of your pissy narrative. |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
I recognize that fans, lawyers and politicians like to select only certain facts to support their point of view. That may work for some fans, juries and voters, but it's not good practice for picking CEOs or investing. The relevant, complete facts are that he was 21-16 straight up and 19-18 against the spread in 3 years coaching in a weak conference. That is mediocre in my world. If you think those are acceptable qualifications for a CEO or an investment, then I guess our standards are different. |
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| Author: | Irish Boy [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Citing a coaches record against the spread as evidence of his ability is literally one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen on this board. In a basically efficient market, every head coach's record tends towards .500. But you know that. As for his record straight-up, that's almost as stupid. Would he be that much better if Toledo had scheduled Louisiana-Monroe and San Jose State instead of Ohio State and Boise State? Would he be a great hire if Big East refs could correctly call a PAT? Context matters. But you know that too. |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
[quote="Irish Boy"]Citing a coaches record against the spread as evidence of his ability is literally one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen on this board. In a basically efficient market, every head coach's record tends towards .500. But you know that. As for his record straight-up, that's almost as stupid. Would he be that much better if Toledo had scheduled Louisiana-Monroe and San Jose State instead of Ohio State and Boise State? Would he be a great hire if Big East refs could correctly call a PAT? Context matters. But you know that too.[/] ATS is a measure of meeting the market's expectations. it is the coaching equivalent of a CEO meeting earnings expectations. The best coaches meet and exceed them most seasons and are around 57% for their career, not 50%. As far as record, yes it matters too. The best coaches in mid-majors do much better than Beckmann did. They occasionally beat teams they aren't supposed to beat. You see things as a fan.I see them as an investor. I don't think that makes either argument stupid. But you know that. |
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| Author: | Irish Boy [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Quote: ATS is a measure of meeting the market's expectations. There's a simple proof that shows you are full of shit here. If you believed what you are saying, you'd take the top five head coaches in college football and just bet their teams week after week. A good year for you (or anyone) is, what, 55%. You seem to think you can beat that by just pounding the top coaches. You don't do that for a reason. It's also fun to be lectured by a lobbyist on selective use of data. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Enough of the arguments over insignificant points. There are plenty of other sections to argue. This section is to pick winners and discuss how we are going to get them |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Cincinnati +7 The market says Ravens. Is the ghost of Art Modell worth 3 points or something? That "dead owner inspiration" if that is what is causing people to bet Ravens is just the kind of thing that brings value to the dog. Not having Terrell Suggs is a - to this Ravens D and until they prove they don't miss him too much, his absence is more significant IMO than the dead owner angle. I take value as I find it. |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Week 1: 4-4 Season:6-6 6-4 college, 0-2 NFL Florida +3 @ Tennessee I give edges on D, special teams and coaching to Gators. Tenn gets edge on O and home field. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Coast2Coast wrote: Week 1: 4-4 Season:6-6 6-4 college, 0-2 NFL Florida +3 @ Tennessee I give edges on D, special teams and coaching to Gators. Tenn gets edge on O and home field. I hate going against you, but I think I'm going the other way. |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Ariz St-Missouri over 58.5 Texas -Mississippi over 51 Texas AM -SMU over 61 |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
I see soft road favorites like Oakland, Dallas, Wash, Minn. getting a lot of love today. I will let other guys play that road chalk against "bad" teams. 6 pt teasers Giants -1/Bengals -1 Giants -1/Chargers -1/2 |
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| Author: | Chus [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Coast2Coast wrote: I see soft road favorites like Oakland, Dallas, Wash, Minn. getting a lot of love today. I will let other guys play that road chalk against "bad" teams. At least two of those teams will lose straight up. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Chus wrote: Coast2Coast wrote: I see soft road favorites like Oakland, Dallas, Wash, Minn. getting a lot of love today. I will let other guys play that road chalk against "bad" teams. At least two of those teams will lose straight up. Not bad. All four of them lost. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Coast2Coast wrote: ATS is a measure of meeting the market's expectations. it is the coaching equivalent of a CEO meeting earnings expectations. The best coaches meet and exceed them most seasons and are around 57% for their career, not 50%. I was told by a number of D-1 football types that alumns could live with losses so long as spreads were covered at least 2/3 of the time. |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Keeping Score wrote: Irish Boy got awfully quiet after that Arizona St. drubbing. You got a little Spmack in ya, always looking to start trouble. |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Keeping Score wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: Keeping Score wrote: Irish Boy got awfully quiet after that Arizona St. drubbing. You got a little Spmack in ya, always looking to start trouble. Ya, but at least I stick around to get into it once in a while. He stirs the pot and then runs away like a little beyooooooootch. Ok Carrie |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:46 pm ] |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pigskin picks |
Keeping Score wrote: Irish Boy got awfully quiet after that Arizona St. drubbing. One game does not prove whether a guy is a good hire or a good coach. Ultimately, Beckman's fate will probably lie in his ability to pick the right guys to coach defense, given his pretty lousy track record on that side of the ball, and his ability to recruit top tier big ten quality athletes, of which he had few at Toledo. Do the best high school kids believe in him and want to play for a guy with his midmajor pedigree? Can he get enough of the best kids each year to move the program up from where it was when he took over? Remains to be seen. Football is tough that way. It seems it is easier for a midmajor basketball coach to move up to a top conference and recruit one or two top kids a year (see Iowa's McCaffrey or Illini's Groce) that advance the program than it is for a football coach to move up to recruit a higher level athlete and convince 10 or more top kids each year or however many is necessary to improve the talent level overall. |
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