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Author:  spmack [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner? (Derby Talk thread)
His pops is Big Brown if you remember him from the 2005 Derby. Watch the video below (he's PP #5), he's already so tall at the age of 2 that he made the other horses look like quarterhorses. Dortmund's owner is also the same owner as Bayern, who won the BC Classic two weekends ago, and maybe you soccer nerds can explain the Dortmund/Bayern names. Hoping they put him in the Cash Call Futurity next month. His first race looked awesome, though. The fact that one site already has his 2015 Derby odds at 30-1 after one MSW race should let you know how others feel about him.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... =AllRacing

edited to talk about Derby prep races.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
spmack wrote:
His pops is Big Brown if you remember him from the 2005 Derby. Watch the video below (he's PP #5), he's already so tall at the age of 2 that he made the other horses look like quarterhorses. Dortmund's owner is also the same owner as Bayern, who won the BC Classic two weekends ago, and maybe you soccer nerds can explain the Dortmund/Bayern names. Hoping they put him in the Cash Call Futurity next month. His first race looked awesome, though. The fact that one site already has his 2015 Derby odds at 30-1 after one MSW race should let you know how others feel about him.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... =AllRacing

Picking a Derby horse 6 months before the Derby is rather stupid
Author:  Hawg Ass [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
spmack wrote:
His pops is Big Brown if you remember him from the 2005 Derby. Watch the video below (he's PP #5), he's already so tall at the age of 2 that he made the other horses look like quarterhorses. Dortmund's owner is also the same owner as Bayern, who won the BC Classic two weekends ago, and maybe you soccer nerds can explain the Dortmund/Bayern names. Hoping they put him in the Cash Call Futurity next month. His first race looked awesome, though. The fact that one site already has his 2015 Derby odds at 30-1 after one MSW race should let you know how others feel about him.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... =AllRacing

Picking a Derby horse 6 months before the Derby is rather stupid

So, who do you like Walt?
Author:  Rod [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
Hawg Ass wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
spmack wrote:
His pops is Big Brown if you remember him from the 2005 Derby. Watch the video below (he's PP #5), he's already so tall at the age of 2 that he made the other horses look like quarterhorses. Dortmund's owner is also the same owner as Bayern, who won the BC Classic two weekends ago, and maybe you soccer nerds can explain the Dortmund/Bayern names. Hoping they put him in the Cash Call Futurity next month. His first race looked awesome, though. The fact that one site already has his 2015 Derby odds at 30-1 after one MSW race should let you know how others feel about him.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... =AllRacing

Picking a Derby horse 6 months before the Derby is rather stupid

So, who do you like Walt?


:lol: :lol:
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
Hawg Ass wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
spmack wrote:
His pops is Big Brown if you remember him from the 2005 Derby. Watch the video below (he's PP #5), he's already so tall at the age of 2 that he made the other horses look like quarterhorses. Dortmund's owner is also the same owner as Bayern, who won the BC Classic two weekends ago, and maybe you soccer nerds can explain the Dortmund/Bayern names. Hoping they put him in the Cash Call Futurity next month. His first race looked awesome, though. The fact that one site already has his 2015 Derby odds at 30-1 after one MSW race should let you know how others feel about him.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... =AllRacing

Picking a Derby horse 6 months before the Derby is rather stupid

So, who do you like Walt?

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Author:  Buster [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
his futurebook price is already an underlay
Author:  spmack [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
I agree Walt...but I don't think there's nothing wrong with dropping $10-20 on a horse with future odds in the triples....Cali Chrome was 300-1 originally, and 30-1 as late as March.
Author:  spmack [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
Speaking of California Chrome, they just announced that's he's preparing to try grass in the Hollywood Cup on 11/29. If all goes well, he may try the Arlington Million next year. I'd definitely come out for that.
Author:  sinicalypse [ Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
lord knows dortmund has to win SOMETHING in 2015. they're in the relegation zone of 1.bundesliga right now FFS!
Author:  a retard [ Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
:lol: #7 walking it in.
Author:  Rod [ Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
Seriously, this colt is big, awkward, and green. I'd be trying to beat him next time out.
Author:  spmack [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
50-1 on Dortmund for opening pool.



KENTUCKY DERBY FUTURE WAGER POOL 1
Friday, Nov. 28-Sunday, Nov. 30

1 American Pharoah 12-1
2 Blofeld 20-1
3 Calculator 20-1
4 Carpe Diem 20-1
5 Classy Class 50-1
6 Competitive Edge 20-1
7 Daredevil 20-1
8 Dortmund 50-1
9 Eagle 50-1
10 El Kabeir 50-1
11 Frosted 50-1
12 I Spent It 50-1
13 Imperia 50-1
14 Lord Nelson 30-1
15 Lucky Player 50-1
16 Mr. Z 30-1
17 Ocho Ocho Ocho 20-1
18 Ostrolenka 50-1
19 Punctuate 50-1
20 Texas Red 15-1
21 The Great War 30-1
22 Unblunted 50-1
23 Upstart 20-1
24 Mutuel Field – All Other 3YOs 3-5
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
My money's on Blofeld.
Author:  spmack [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
lipidquadcab wrote:
My money's on Blofeld.

I know you're joking, but he's 3 for 3 in his young career.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... ua-s-gr-ii
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
spmack wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
My money's on Blofeld.

I know you're joking, but he's 3 for 3 in his young career.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... ua-s-gr-ii

Actually I just changed my mind...knowing his namesake, he'd probably take an early lead, fuck around with the other horses, and let one of them come back and beat him.
Author:  spmack [ Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
Dortmund is running this weekend at Churchill Downs.

http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewe ... m3=1349380
Author:  sinicalypse [ Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
arsenal beat dortmund 2-0 today! so that means in their champions league group dortmund and arsenal are both through to the knockout round of 16, but with dortmund sitting on 12pts/+10GD and arsenal at 10pts/+4GD dortmund would have to lose to anderlecht while arsenal beats galatasaray(sp?) in order to have arsenal finish atop the group (and most likely end up with a much more do-able opponent in the round of 16, as opposed to their usual 2nd place finish that gets them, say, barcelona and buyern munich 2x in the last 3 seasons IIRC.

right now dortmund, widely considered to be the 2nd team in a 2 team league (1.bundesliga) is sitting in something like 2nd-to-last-place and a scant 2pts above dead last in 1.bundesliga! they're in the freaking relegation zone! i have no idea if anybody in the UEFA champions league era has topped their group while being in the relegation zone of their domestic league, but i'm willing to bet that the answer is no!

arsenal's having a disappointing season, but nothing quite like what jurgen klopp and the bvb boys are having over there in old nazi territory. jurgen klopp is one of those guys that many would like to see succeed arsene wenger @ arsenal if/when he goes (he might end up pulling a harold washington at the rate he's going) but if dortmund manages to finish like 10th or something and doesn't even crack the europa league, aka pulls a >moyes (altho >moyes did take a creaky/aging PL-champion team and personally assist them down to 7th place out of any an all european competition, but hey he got a community shield which i still think should be renamed the david moyes memorial shield!) ----- well then what's gonna happen with klopp? of course arsene signed a big ol 3yr deal after the triumphant FA cup haul for arsenal year (if it's not a mickey mouse trophy it's at least a bugs bunny trophy i figure) so who knows if arsene would step down if arsenal ends up.... *shudders* playing football on thursdays (europa league, aka the 4th-6th or 5th-7th place teams in most euro leagues, chock full of all kinds of teams from, say, belgian leagues you've never heard of) then maybe arsene steps down?

still tho, arsenal's sitting not just pretty but elle macpherson back in the day fine compared to where dortmund is this year.

so yeah, i hope dortmund runs well and can pick up the DFB pokal derby otherwise they're going to potentially have a LOOOOOOOONNNNNGGG calendar year in teh year of our lorde 2015.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
spmack wrote:
Dortmund is running this weekend at Churchill Downs.

http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewe ... m3=1349380

Won easily 2-5 ....will breakdown before the Derby!
Author:  spmack [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
Bet down to 9-1 in the Futures pool. :lol:
Author:  Rod [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
spmack wrote:
Bet down to 9-1 in the Futures pool. :lol:


I'm not sure he's Baffert's best horse.

Is he going in the Los Al race?
Author:  spmack [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
That would be my guess as that's the next graded stakes race in the KY Derby Prep schedule. If not there, then the Sham at SA, where he's does all of his workouts.
Author:  spmack [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
spmack wrote:
Bet down to 9-1 in the Futures pool. :lol:


I'm not sure he's Baffert's best horse.

Is he going in the Los Al race?

Going in Los Al.

http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewe ... m3=1224512



3-4 Exacta to anyone reading this. Will be the easiest money you've ever made. May not pay much though.





I also read too that Dom The Bomb is going to Florida....there hasn't been an Illinois bred horse that's made it to the Derby since Western Playboy in 1989. Dom The Bomb may have a chance.
Author:  Rod [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
spmack wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
spmack wrote:
Bet down to 9-1 in the Futures pool. :lol:


I'm not sure he's Baffert's best horse.

Is he going in the Los Al race?

Going in Los Al.

http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewe ... m3=1224512

3-4 Exacta to anyone reading this. Will be the easiest money you've ever made. May not pay much though.

I also read too that Dom The Bomb is going to Florida....there hasn't been an Illinois bred horse that's made it to the Derby since Western Playboy in 1989. Dom The Bomb may have a chance.


That's kind of a weak field going for all that cash.
Author:  Rod [ Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
He needed every inch to get up by a nose. Looked like he might be off on his left side.

spmack, who was that chick with the giant cans interviewing Baffert?
Author:  spmack [ Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
Michelle Yu. The Sarah Spain of horse racing. :D


Dortmund did it, but yeah you're right. Needs to tighten up his turns. Hope to see Mr. Z and Firing Line hook up again with Dortmund in the future.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner?
2 year old setting a track record?
Author:  spmack [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner? (Derby Talk thread)
El Kabeir looked real good on Saturday in the Jerome.

I like that there is now a Derby Prep race every weekend. This coming Saturday will be The Sham. I'll post the Brisnet PP for it tomorrow.

Remaining schedule is below. Numbers at the end represent the point earned for coming in 1st-2nd-3rd-4th

Quote:
January 10, 2015 Sham 1 Mile Santa Anita Park 10-4-2-1
January 17, 2015 Lecomte 1 Mile 70 Yards Fair Grounds 10-4-2-1
January 19, 2015 Smarty Jones 1 Mile Oaklawn Park 10-4-2-1
January 24, 2015 Holy Bull 1 1/16 Miles Gulfstream Park 10-4-2-1
February 7, 2015 Withers 1 1/16 Miles Aqueduct 10-4-2-1
February 7, 2015 Robert B. Lewis 1 1/16 Miles Santa Anita Park 10-4-2-1
February 14, 2015 El Camino Real Derby 1 1/8 Miles (S) Golden Gate 10-4-2-1
February 16, 2015 Southwest 1 1/16 Miles Oaklawn Park 10-4-2-1
February 21, 2015 Fountain of Youth 1 1/16 Miles Gulfstream Park 50-20-10-5
February 21, 2015 Risen Star 1 1/16 Miles Fair Grounds 50-20-10-5
March 7, 2015 Gotham 1 1/16 Miles Aqueduct 50-20-10-5
March 7, 2015 San Felipe 1 1/16 Miles Santa Anita Park 50-20-10-5
March 7, 2015 Tampa Bay Derby 1 1/16 Miles Tampa Bay 50-20-10-5
March 14, 2015 Rebel 1 1/16 Miles Oaklawn Park 50-20-10-5
March 21, 2015 Spiral 1 1/8 Miles (S) Turfway Park 50-20-10-5
March 22, 2015 Sunland Derby 1 1/8 Miles Sunland Park 50-20-10-5
March 28, 2015 UAE Derby 1 3/16 Miles (S) Meydan 100-40-20-10
March 28, 2015 Florida Derby 1 1/8 Miles Gulfstream Park 100-40-20-10
March 28, 2015 Louisiana Derby 1 1/8 Miles Fair Grounds 100-40-20-10
April 4, 2015 Wood Memorial 1 1/8 Miles Aqueduct 100-40-20-10
April 4, 2015 Santa Anita Derby 1 1/8 Miles Santa Anita Park 100-40-20-10
April 4, 2015 Blue Grass 1 1/8 Miles Keeneland 100-40-20-10
April 11, 2015 Arkansas Derby 1 1/8 Miles Oaklawn Park 100-40-20-10
April 18, 2015 Lexington 1 1/16 Miles Keeneland 10-4-2-1
Author:  Rod [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner? (Derby Talk thread)
Did you see this guy, spmack?

Guessing his next might be in the Lecomte.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/me ... 281714TPD9
Author:  spmack [ Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner? (Derby Talk thread)
Yeah I had seen someone posted that race on their twitter feed last week. Do you think the owners will switch to a more popular trainer? I never heard of Laura Wohlers. Especially if he runs at the Fairgrounds, that's Amoss or Rudy Rodriguez country.
Author:  spmack [ Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dortmund - 2015 Ky Derby Winner? (Derby Talk thread)
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Did you see this guy, spmack?

Guessing his next might be in the Lecomte.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/me ... 281714TPD9

Good call JORR, and for now, it appears that Runhappy should be the favorite and Laura Wohlers still is the trainer, but there's a rider switch to Shaun Bridgmohan.


http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewe ... m3=1551550
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