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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:14 am 
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If I were to call the Score during one of Stone's segments and ask Stone "How come the Sox have been able to develop only one lefthanded power hitter in the last 30 years" do you think Stone would answer the same way as he did about the Cubs? No.

And that is my point. If Stone had just said "The Cubs have had problems in their farm system developing a presence from the left side of the plate", fine and that is 100% correct.

Stone will tip toe around any Sox issues but will gleefully give a snide remark about the Cubs. I guess my baseball expert would treat both sides equally, but obviously that ain't going to happen.


That's my issue, he's billed as the 'baseball expert' and he's the White Sox analyst. So even putting aside whatever unfairness is involved in having the White Sox analyst commenting on both teams (and perhaps heightened by how he and the Cubs split), I simply don't think he has put in the effort (nor should he be expected to if he's calling 162 non-Cubs games a year) to be any special authority on the Cubs.


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If I were to call the Score during one of Stone's segments and ask Stone "How come the Sox have been able to develop only one lefthanded power hitter in the last 30 years" do you think Stone would answer the same way as he did about the Cubs? No.

And that is my point. If Stone had just said "The Cubs have had problems in their farm system developing a presence from the left side of the plate", fine and that is 100% correct.

Stone will tip toe around any Sox issues but will gleefully give a snide remark about the Cubs. I guess my baseball expert would treat both sides equally, but obviously that ain't going to happen.


That's my issue, he's billed as the 'baseball expert' and he's the White Sox analyst. So even putting aside whatever unfairness is involved in having the White Sox analyst commenting on both teams (and perhaps heightened by how he and the Cubs split), I simply don't think he has put in the effort (nor should he be expected to if he's calling 162 non-Cubs games a year) to be any special authority on the Cubs.


But that is Mitch's fault, not Stones. Radio stations are no different than other companies or businesses who have consolidated jobs & asked employees to wear more hats. Hell, Jay Zawatski is the Hockey expert & Jason Goff is the Basketball expert at the Score...but at least Jay & Jason have more time to prepare since they aren't traveling constantly like Stone is.

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Enigma and Brian's Mojito are spot on.

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i think stone walked away after management wanted to filter him..?


Your thoughts are wrong.

Stone actually wanted the team to filter , or better yet, stop players from verbally attacking him.

Stone was not censored at all and after they didnt resign Chip Caray, stone walked out the door..and the Cubs did nothing to stop him.

I do think Jim Hendry wanted him to leave as he didnt need an announcer causing any more issues than he had with a team

Which works perfectly for Stone right now on the Southside where they have the best owner, manager, GM, trainer, Pitching coach, groundskeeper, play by play guy, food, parking...oh, did you hear, The got a bar outside the park now!



yeah that is pretty much the story i have always heard..stone mentioned to management that some players seem to have an issue with him for simply doing his job..and management told him it may not be a bad idea to scale down some of the criticism.. stone chose to walk and management foolishly let him..agree hendry was pleased with stone departing and taking his opinions with him. i like stone and find him very knowledgeable and what is wrong with 670 having him as their baseball expert? he is an expert on baseball.. i thought stone had a fantastic opportunity to humiliate piniella and hendry last year when lou lashed out at stone, and stone took it way too easy on those two clowns.

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That's my issue, he's billed as the 'baseball expert' and he's the White Sox analyst. So even putting aside whatever unfairness is involved in having the White Sox analyst commenting on both teams (and perhaps heightened by how he and the Cubs split), I simply don't think he has put in the effort (nor should he be expected to if he's calling 162 non-Cubs games a year) to be any special authority on the Cubs.


But that is Mitch's fault, not Stones. Radio stations are no different than other companies or businesses who have consolidated jobs & asked employees to wear more hats. Hell, Jay Zawatski is the Hockey expert & Jason Goff is the Basketball expert at the Score...but at least Jay & Jason have more time to prepare since they aren't traveling constantly like Stone is.


Well, sure, ultimately a lot of whatever's bad on the station is Mitch's fault. I can't expect Stone to say 'well I don't work for or follow the Cubs much, next question', though it'd be nice.

And I'd agree in general that this is likely just another example of WSCR cheaping out on their 'experts'. Not that many high-paid experts are good value either.


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Reared on the Score wrote:
enigma wrote:
If I were to call the Score during one of Stone's segments and ask Stone "How come the Sox have been able to develop only one lefthanded power hitter in the last 30 years" do you think Stone would answer the same way as he did about the Cubs? No.

And that is my point. If Stone had just said "The Cubs have had problems in their farm system developing a presence from the left side of the plate", fine and that is 100% correct.

Stone will tip toe around any Sox issues but will gleefully give a snide remark about the Cubs. I guess my baseball expert would treat both sides equally, but obviously that ain't going to happen.


That's my issue, he's billed as the 'baseball expert' and he's the White Sox analyst. So even putting aside whatever unfairness is involved in having the White Sox analyst commenting on both teams (and perhaps heightened by how he and the Cubs split), I simply don't think he has put in the effort (nor should he be expected to if he's calling 162 non-Cubs games a year) to be any special authority on the Cubs.


Wait a minute. This is a station with an "NBA Expert" whose expertise is seemingly based only upon the fact that he is black and watches a lot of games on television and an "NHL expert" whose expertise is that he is white, goes to lots of Hawks games, owns several regulation sweaters, and knows a little more about the game than Mac, and you're upset that the station's baseball analyst- who is an eleven year veteran of the big leagues and who has made a living from the game his entire life- is also the color guy for the White Sox. Who you crappin'?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:23 am 
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I think all three cases are problematic. And that's not even getting into the tangled web of Joe Cowley.

I guess this is what happens when you have nine so-called football experts.

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Wait a minute. This is a station with an "NBA Expert" whose expertise is seemingly based only upon the fact that he is black and watches a lot of games on television and an "NHL expert" whose expertise is that he is white, goes to lots of Hawks games, owns several regulation sweaters, and knows a little more about the game than Mac, and you're upset that the station's baseball analyst- who is an eleven year veteran of the big leagues and who has made a living from the game his entire life- is also the color guy for the White Sox. Who you crappin'?

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That's my issue, he's billed as the 'baseball expert' and he's the White Sox analyst. So even putting aside whatever unfairness is involved in having the White Sox analyst commenting on both teams (and perhaps heightened by how he and the Cubs split), I simply don't think he has put in the effort (nor should he be expected to if he's calling 162 non-Cubs games a year) to be any special authority on the Cubs.


But that is Mitch's fault, not Stones. Radio stations are no different than other companies or businesses who have consolidated jobs & asked employees to wear more hats. Hell, Jay Zawatski is the Hockey expert & Jason Goff is the Basketball expert at the Score...but at least Jay & Jason have more time to prepare since they aren't traveling constantly like Stone is.


Well, sure, ultimately a lot of whatever's bad on the station is Mitch's fault. I can't expect Stone to say 'well I don't work for or follow the Cubs much, next question', though it'd be nice.

And I'd agree in general that this is likely just another example of WSCR cheaping out on their 'experts'. Not that many high-paid experts are good value either.


Still, Stone is 100% correct in his assessment & criticism of the Cubs.

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No its all good. The Hoffpauir thing still makes me laugh. Who was that board poster again that wanted him as a starter?


I was all for letting Hoffpauer start last season as the 1B. Or may have been the year before. Lee was not fully recovered from his wrist injury and Hoffpauer was batting over .300 at AAA.

Micah could actually hit a big league breaking ball, but could not catch up to 90+ fastballs from big league arms.

This is usually not the case with rookies. They can usually hit the 94 MPH fast ball, but can't touch the breaking balls.

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enigma wrote:
If I were to call the Score during one of Stone's segments and ask Stone "How come the Sox have been able to develop only one lefthanded power hitter in the last 30 years" do you think Stone would answer the same way as he did about the Cubs? No.

And that is my point. If Stone had just said "The Cubs have had problems in their farm system developing a presence from the left side of the plate", fine and that is 100% correct.

Stone will tip toe around any Sox issues but will gleefully give a snide remark about the Cubs. I guess my baseball expert would treat both sides equally, but obviously that ain't going to happen.


That's my issue, he's billed as the 'baseball expert' and he's the White Sox analyst. So even putting aside whatever unfairness is involved in having the White Sox analyst commenting on both teams (and perhaps heightened by how he and the Cubs split), I simply don't think he has put in the effort (nor should he be expected to if he's calling 162 non-Cubs games a year) to be any special authority on the Cubs.


Wait a minute. This is a station with an "NBA Expert" whose expertise is seemingly based only upon the fact that he is black and watches a lot of games on television and an "NHL expert" whose expertise is that he is white, goes to lots of Hawks games, owns several regulation sweaters, and knows a little more about the game than Mac, and you're upset that the station's baseball analyst- who is an eleven year veteran of the big leagues and who has made a living from the game his entire life- is also the color guy for the White Sox. Who you crappin'?

I think the NBA expert is further validated by the fact that he knows Lil Dan Bernstine.

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I think the NBA expert is further validated by the fact that he knows Lil Dan Bernstine.



Jason's a baller straight off the rough courts of Mason Park and Harbert Park. That's an education, son. Those pick-up games qualify a man to talk hoops on the same level as Dr. Jack Ramsay.

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If the Score were a little more self-aware, they would claim that naming Jason their NBA expert is a subversion of the tired "expert" trope being done to further assert their status as The Voice Of The Fan. This, however, would necessitate the Score still being The Voice Of The Fan, when it's closer to The Voice Of Well-To-Do College Graduates And The Hacks That Emulate Them, but then again the whole notion of "self-aware subversion of a tired trope" is more the province of the well-to-do college grads, anyway, so the whole thing just winds up being a great big Celtic knot of Infinite Jest and deep-dish pizza.

Look, I guess what I'm saying is just have Aschburner on every week or something.

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