Larz, I am going to leave the legal stuff to the lawyers, but I will say it is curious that you are the first one to defend Pappy every time something negative is written about him. Let me ask why you don’t write something about the following pappy subjects.

1.When this scandal broke, pappy said he had two or three sponsors lined up. It turns out he had to beg for on mid-level sponsor who cut a check for 25k, not the 200,000k needed.

2.Why don’t you write about the fact that when there are numerous people unemployed, people pappy recruited, he openly bragged about going on vacation, buying new vehicles and spouts off about being able to sleep at night. I am not saying he is the reason this webio scandal occurred, but he is the guy I am sure nudged these people to come, but he seems to get a pass on this.

3.How about the fact pappy bragged about how much money webio was bringing in, then it turned out to be $2300, why not call pappy out on that lie?

No matter what happens, pappy has committed career suicide, he left the score bragging how the offers would be coming in, turned out to be nothing, but yet, a Dan Mcneil is hired the fist day he was able to sign with the score, why? Because he was like the guy who won the lottery, thought that the money made him smarter and more important then he really was, when it was gone, he couldn’t handle it, took the first deal he could land, turned out he was a easy target, so why not write a article on the pathetic fall of pappy instead of defending every single failure since leaving the score?

Like your work Larz, I have told you that, but pappy doesn’t deserve the pass you give him.

I think you are confusing "not bashing" with "rushing to defend at each and every opportunity."

"As far as this lawsuit is concerned, unless there is positive proof that North, or anybody named in the suit other than Hernandez, caused these poor investors to lose their money, they will walk away from this lawsuit unharmed. It's pretty cut & dry. "

Define unharmed?
I think this is North ass licking. If North was just one of the hosts, I would agree with you, but it was his business plan, he was an officer of the company and I can't beleive he had zero ownership in this operation, whether or not he put money in.
All the attorney needs to do is find one person who gave money to Hernandez, that knew North first and then work that angle.

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"I am not saying, I am just saying"

You fall into the later category.

Larz, being one of the great legal minds of our time, please explain to me how the Chief Operating Officer of a company that fronted a ponzi scheme is not liable.

Please address the comparison to Kenneth Lay being criminally unaware.

Thanks Matlock

Yeah cant belive this board is quiet at midnight
nobody works or anything

Your fake law degree is worse than mine. You just can't say that. Would you like me to give you links of multiple situations where people who never "caused these poor investors to lose their money" had the money they made returned? You act like you've established this criteria as legal precedent. It isn't and it is a joke for you to come on here and act like an expert on it when your stance is fundamentally flawed. You aren't a lawyer and your statement is easily disproven. Anyone who has followed the aftermath of the Bernie Madoff case knows that many investors may be forced to repay profits from the scheme even though they had no idea it was happening either.

You talk in absolutes, especially in regards to Mike North. If he really owned 30% of the company, then he was an investor.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478326,00.html

Here is a good quote from that article.

How much did Mike North financially benefit from his involvement? How much did he "invest"? Did he get back more money from David Hernandez than he invested? Did his wife get money?

It is true that others not named North may be more in the clear but you can't say that. A judge has great power in the aftermath of one of these schemes. The courts will probably spare anyone not named North from having to pay anything back but you can't say it is "cut & dry". There are many webio employees that financially benefited greatly from it. I wouldn't be shocked if they were forced to pay some of it back. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't really know. You aren't a lawyer, but you really have no clue.

Bottom line: Stop acting like you have a great understanding of the law when you clearly do not. This won't be an easy suit to defend, especially by Mike North.

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1. I think everybody with a brain cell knew that was just Pappy-speak. Mike North is a salesman. I'm sure he was talking with many sponsors, but I'm also sure he had no big ones on the line when he said that. He's been known to make exaggerations before.

2. I've written plenty about the poor people who found themselves screwed out of a job, from the producers and engineers who could not afford to lose any paychecks, to the bigger stars who are able to make ends meet, but are now worried about the future. Most of these unemployed Webio people are great guys who deserve to be working in the field they love and clearly have the talent to do so. Unfortunately, there are only so many job opportunities out there and it doesn't look great for a lot of them. They have had my sympathies since this meltdown happened.

I agree that North "nudged" these people over to Webio, but he did so thinking he was helping them, not to screw them over.

3. North is a bragger, however I think it was David Hernandez himself who was making this dumb-ass brag to Ed Sherman right before Webio's collapse. There's no doubt in my mind that North said similar things, based on info he was given by Hernandez. He doesn't strike me as a "numbers guy" who spent afternoons trying to figure out the company's books. He was told everything was OK and believed it.

I don't think I've ever given Mike North a pass. I just don't see the need to kick the man (or any man) when he's already down.

Maybe because ChicagoSportsWebio was NOT the front for any Ponzi scheme... It was Hernandez's financial f#cking around that caused this trouble. That happened with a different company long before Webio. The COO of THAT company should be worried.

Thanks Corky.

Oh so only the first company matters? Didnt Hernandez' fucking around happen at Webio?

Chicago Sports Webio was funded by a guy running a ponzi scheme. He used it to promote his other companies and was very public in his sponsorship

It would seem to me that implicated Webio...I could be wong

Im not gonna act like I know the law when I dont
That would be foolish

Larz are you gonna respond to BolierMaker Rick's comments?

North is, and has been, full of shit....for the last 10 or so years.
You call it a bragger, fine.
I also sympathize with the younger kids who are out of a job.
I sympathize with Fred Huebner who had nowhere to go.
I have little sympathy for the veterans at WSCR who fell under this uneducated uncouth clown's spell.
George Ofman sure did a great job of faking intelligence all these years.
None of these guys who were at WSCR since its inception had the sense to look at the numbers.....???
How much money can a nurse's placement operation actually bring in?
Just ride with Hustler North to riches?????
People want to call North a Salesman.....The product he is learning he can't sell anymore is Mike North.

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One last thing before I say goodbye to this thread...

Read the full lawsuit. The Plaintiffs are suing all of Hernandez's companies & partners. They named Webio and it's officers (North, North, Jiggetts, Trotter) claiming that the company was started & funded by illegally gained money. The problem there is that Herdandez, as big of a scumbag as he is, did plenty of legit deals with/for people, as did his companies. There were probably more legit transactions done than illegal ones (although the illegal ones brought in much more money). Not all of his money was dirty money. The Plaintiffs will have to prove that 100% of the money coming into Spectrum and then into Webio was indeed that tainted, stolen money, something difficult to do unless Hernadez admits to it.

Also, the odds of this case being settled anytime soon is slim to none. This one will go on for years. Should give you guys plenty of time to imagine made-up scenarios for your guy Nort'...

I agree with Shakes in his well described financial liability scenario.

Bottom line is Hernandez is the Devil and North is North....."Mr. Street Smart".

Larz, what happens to a self-promoter when there is nothing left to promote?

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If this case goes on for years, North goes broke with attorney fees.......if he isn't dismissed from this lawsuit......SOMEBODY IN YOUR BUSINESS DO THE MATH....$200.00 to $400.00 per hour and the lawyer is pressured by the sweatshop firm to bill hours......
Rod Blagojevich should be your reference point.

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Your silence in regards to my post is the most telling thing in this whole thread.


I cannot believe you are still sticking to the line of thinking that they will have to prove the money is dirty. Investors, such as North, have had to pay back financial gains from ponzi schemes in the past. Most of these people were as clueless as to the fraud as the people who lost money.

Stop embarrassing yourself. It may happen that none of the webio employees or North pays back anything but your fake law degree is building an argument on false legal precedent.

I'd love to hear your response to the other post I made, but I'll be happy to take your silence in regards to it as a sign that you know you were wrong but are afraid to admit it.

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Maybe North did invest money. I wouldn't know. My hunch is that he instead invested his time and his name. Without NOrth as Webio's face & spokesman, there would be no Webio. If he really had 30% of the company and that wasn't just North bragging, I think he was given 30% in exchange for his getting the company off the ground and for staffing it. According to reports, he earned a salary, as did his wife, Jiggs, Trotter and every other employee of the company. If the Plaintiffs get a sympathetic Judge, then those employees may have to cough up their salaries. My hunch is the Webio employees are in the clear, as are most of the employees of NextStep staffing and Hernandez's other companies. Over the next few years, various lawyers and a Judge or two will work that out -- not a bunch of guys on a message board who want blood from a simple man who simply talks about Sports for a living.

Peace.

This is the most factual thing you've said and what you should have originally wrote.

Please stop with the Snoop Dogg speak. And based on your responses to some intelligent posts, my thoughts haven't changed.

You haven't been watching the show. He looks very happy to me in his backwards cap and Notre Dame hoodie.

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So it isn't "cut and dry" then is it?

I'd guess the employees are in the clear but you never know.

However, North is far from it. The biggest mistake he ever made was saying that he "owned 30%". That made him an investor. Investing time, especially when you are receiving a high amount of compensation for it is being an investor. North received far more from this than he invested and that puts him in real danger of having to repay that back to the other pool of investors. You can be an investor in something without ever putting up a dollar. If you trade your time for a financial stake in a company you are an investor. There are many business agreements where one person does the work while another person with money provides the financing. Your premise is once again flawed.

Next time you come here acting like you know more than us make sure you do. The lawyers and judges will figure it out. There is merit to the lawsuit and legal precedent(in the case of North's involvement).

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Excuse me while I retire to my bedroom, lie down on the bed, and break down weeping over all the nasty things I've said about this humble, decent man who just wants to inform and entertain us. God, I feel so terrible.

I just want to see that simple man off my tv and radio (internet too), having to sell his house and all assets to payoff his lawyers and victims, and fulfill his life long dream of being a full time gambler. Then I want to see the bookies go after him to collect on his bad bets.

The Wish List of the Day!!!!

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You mean Mrs. Vann?

I just wish you or Mopery had invested $50 in NextStep, dontf_ckme.com or Webio just so you could get your vengeance.

Larz just doesn't get the concept that if North was the original North who did talk sports and other things that brought smiles to a lot of faces, people would still love the guy.

Mike North, self proclaimed superstar, is the guy people detest.

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I remember Good Dolphin saying something a while back. He put it perfectly.

"1989 Mike North would absolutely despise 2009 Mike North."

North is a Holiday Inn Express come to life.


My guess is he'll not only take the stand, but also try to represent himself and give closing arguments.

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You guys are all a bunch of assholes. Larz has shown me the way and made me see the light. Mike North is just this simpleton . . . wait, I mean, simple man, sorry . . . who has no other desire than to talk sports with us! God be praised, God, cast OUT the demons that made Mike North want to turn his sports talk show into a politics show with Anne Maxfield. God, cast OUT the demons that made Mike North utter insensitive racial remarks that got him in trouble with the Asian and Hispanic communities! God, cast OUT the demons that made Mike North want to start up a gambling website to bilk people out of their money for a bunch of worthless football picks by a cocktail waitress and a fictional character! God, cast OUT the demons that made Mike North hook up with some ex-con scumbag that claimed to be able to run a business (with Mike's wife as COO) that had about 2 million going out and 2 thousand coming in! God, release this humble, wonderful man from the bonds of Satan that have been controlling him! Hallelujah, brothers, Mike North is the way and the truth and the light! May I never doubt him again! Thanks to Larz, I now know in my heart what Mike North really is. He JUST WANTS TO TALK SPORTS WITH US!!! God, we beseech you, make Satan release his hold on this good man!!!

Damn, this is good.

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Somebody tell David Spada to take a vacation then....some Judge might make him stand-by counsel and he'd have to sit behind North and have to really pay dearly emotionally for being "My Guy".

North's cross of Hernandez in any imagined situation would be great theatre......."I didn't and don't know nuttin', right"?

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