I like Goff as a host. I'm not enthusiastic about the show with Bernstein.

To me, the #1 issue is just content. I tried to listen but I just don't care much about Paul George and Westbrook in November. In the playoffs I could handle it if it was a nationally relevant storyline. I've told others before that maybe this just isn't for you, but I get the feeling sometimes that this show isn't for me either and I never got that with Boers. Now, maybe Goff and Bernstein are too similar and therefore you get a show that is intentionally unplanned exploring the NBA in depth all the time whereas Terry couldn't even name an NBA coach besides Gregg Popovich and Thibs.

However, the funny thing is that the big NBA fans on this board are all pretty silent about this show too, which means they likely aren't tuning in either. So, I'm not sure who they are winning over with this being a major focus of the show.

So, to answer your question, I think the show isn't working as it is being ran, and Goff takes a good portion of the blame there. I think they desperately need a producer who could help them shape the content of the show to match the audience. However, since Goff is a big part of the "We don't even have show meetings!" culture of the show from way back when then yes Goff gets a lot of the blame.

Bernstein was great as a weasily little smart ass that made fun of the meatball culture of both the station and chicago sports. When he isn't doing that he pretty much sucks. I can't listen to him now. Everything about his delivery and content is awful. He needs to take about 10 giant rips before he turns on the mic. All goff does is amplify everything that sucks about him. Put that shit on PBS radio already.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

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Bernstein was great as a weasily little smart ass that made fun of the meatball culture of both the station and chicago sports.

And that was great when meatball culture held sway. He was great as the antidote. Now we need an antidote to him.

So much so that Rick Hahn is winning awards for trading away All-Star talent.

But I was wrong. Instead, Hinkie introduced these buttholes to a magnificent con, wherein the “future” is, at all times, more valuable than the present, and any team that “wins” the future (just as the Skins used to win every NFL offseason) has just as much of a right to exult as a team that has won, like, actual things.

The result is a new kind of insufferability that has the potential to go beyond the standard horrors of your average Boston or St. Louis fanboy. These new Philly fans have somehow combined the tendencies of a violent drunk with TED talkers. I have never seen such front-running in all my life. Imagine if Ravens fans were exactly the same but also all VC-inflected maniacs. It’s getting that bad. Turns out that Hinkie didn’t revolutionize sports. He just revolutionized being a shithead.

And again, we’re talking about the Sixers and the EAGLES, man. The Eagles are a fucking joke. They’re run by Lifeguard Andy Reid and any sane Philly fan should watch the coming playoffs peeking through their hands. That is that kind of mopey fatalism I am accustomed to, and it’s certainly more appealing than a bunch of bald assholes crowing because they’ve been tricked into believing that you can’t lose a game if you haven’t played it yet. Philly fans need to go into detox, watch the Eagles choke in the divisional round, and return to being the irascible scum they used to be. Because that’s a far cry better than the mutoid shitbags they’ve become. I used to have some affection for you, Philly. Now you deserve to be smacked in the balls with a cheese ladle. Go swim in a dumpster pool, fuckheads.

Comparing how football teams are built to how baseball teams are built is about as dumb a sports comparison as there is.

Comparing how football teams are built to how baseball teams are built is about as dumb a sports comparison as there is.

FavreFan was saying "smart" fans have developed a terrible habit of garbling GMs balls because they tank. As if it's some kind of undiscovered genius strategy. Fans are becoming bigger supporters of their GMs than the team itself.

From what I remember over the last 10-15 years, Bernstein knows basketball but doesn't know almost anything about the NBA. He's routinely weeks or even months behind the general basketball community when it comes to what's happening, who's good, etc. I'd almost rather hear Mac talk about the NBA. Either way I won't come out any more informed, and I'll at least be more entertained by Mac's thoughts. Bernstein is at his worst when he's trying to play "NBA expert"

I think it was Dave in Champaign (RIP) who originally pointed out that for all of Bernstein's worship of MLB analytics, he's pretty anti-intellectual when it comes to them in NBA. And one of the reasons for this may be that he trusts his own ability to view the game more than what the numbers say, but that's flawed both because what he usually ends up espousing is no different or more insightful than general fan cliches and conventional wisdom (remember how quickly he went from Thibs "running a lot of stuff" to being a complete neanderthal when it comes to offense?) and because he'd never accept that kind of appeal to eye test authority from anyone skeptical about baseball analytics.

around how Dolph Schayes had more player value than Scottie Pippen.

BUT HE DIDN'T. PIPPEN WAS AWESOME. GTFO.

Also, although in many cases he clearly does not understand baseball analytics, I believe he feels he has a better grasp on them than he does on the hoops analytics. I'm sure bernstein has no interest in getting his head around how Dolph Schayes had more player value than Scottie Pippen.

#Truth. Dolph Schayes shot with two hands. If he played today you would mock him mercilessly.

Shaq mocked Rick Barry's free throws although Barry shot almost 40% better. There's a Sidney Deane-Billy Hoyle joke in there somewhere.

Well to be fair, I believe the consensus is that basketball analytics have a real long way to go before they are as accurate or informative as baseball analytics. There are a lot more things a basketball player can do to affect a given play or game than a baseball player can do that simply can’t be measured in any statistical way yet.

MANY get upset when they are greeted with "Happy Holidays". It's bizarre.

Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?

Dolph schayes shot 38% though

There are a lot more things a basketball player can do to affect a given play or game than a baseball player can do that simply can’t be measured in any statistical way yet.

Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?

MANY get upset when they are greeted with "Happy Holidays". It's bizarre.

Of course I turn it on today and they are talking Celtics, Cavs, and Bucks basketball.

Great show today

Great show today